Template:Did you know nominations/Parental Advisory


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The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nominator.

Parental Advisory

 * ... that the Parental Advisory tag was created in 1985, and first used on songs?

Improved to Good Article status by WikiRedactor (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 12:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Article received good article status on July 5 and is long enough, well-cited with in-line citations. Hook is interesting enough and short enough. Unfortunately, the article doesn't contain the hook fact.  Indeed, the article seems to suggest that the tag was created in 1990, not 1985.  The article states: "In 1990, a black-and-white warning label reading "Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics" was introduced as a standard for affected records ..." Cbl62 (talk) 17:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry. my mistake. Alt 1: that the Parental Advisory tag was first used online in 2011, over 20 years since it began being used? Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  17:53, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg The alt 1 hook works. Cbl62 (talk) 23:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg This was promoted with the original hook, despite the issues raised, and the ALT1 hook is not supported by the Guardian source given, which is talking about the BPI (British system, not the American one which created the labels), and says that "parental warning logos are set to be introduced", but not when; furthermore, BPI was updating its warning scheme at the time. The article doesn't comment on whether any US sites might have previously introduced the online use of the logos, and does say that iTunes has a warning system in place on its content, but doesn't say when it was implemented nor whether it uses "Parental Advisory" in any form. This is going to need a new hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Alt 2: that the Parental Advisory tag was introduced in 1985? This is accurate as far as I can tell, and is backed up at the end of the explanation. Thanks, and sorry for the trouble, Mat  ty  .  007  16:07, 10 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Matty.007, how does your proposed Alt 2 address the issue that was raised with the use of 1985 in the original hook? If it was a problem then, it should still be a problem now. Please come up with something new for a hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I misunderstood. Alt 3: ... that the Parental Advisory tag has been seen as an "incentive" to buy questionable content? Again, apologies for my error. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  08:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Matty.007, I'm curious as to whether you fully vetted your new Alt 3 hook before you proposed it—as a DYK nominator of someone else's article, it's your responsibility to check the accuracy. When I look at the article, I see that the hook comes from part of a sentence that asserts that the label is a status symbol, when the source says nothing about that, just that youngsters "who want graphic material" will have it identified for them by the PA label, making it easier for them to find. This is one writer's opinion (rather than a general viewpoint implied by the hook), and one that is contradicted by the independent research referred to by the RIAA (and deprecated in the article by the word "claimed", a non-neutral phrasing if ever there was one) that says that the music matters more than the lyrics in choosing songs. I don't think this hook works either, as worded, and the article needs some work for all that a reviewer has (prematurely, in my view) passed it as a GA. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I changed that "claimed" to "stated", but I can't see anything else that would mean it wasn't at GA class. However, I can appreciate that the article doesn't appear suited to a DYK, so withdraw this nomination. Thanks for the help BlueMoonset, Mat  ty  .  007  15:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Withdrawn by nominator. Sorry it didn't work out, Matty.007. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)