Template:Did you know nominations/Park an der Ilm


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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Park an der Ilm

 * ... that the Park an der Ilm, an English landscape garden in Weimar along the Ilm, contains the first monument for Shakespeare (pictured) in continental Europe?
 * Reviewed: Manfred Kirchheimer

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 12:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Newly expanded, well-cited, no copyvio. Hook is cited & interesting. AGF German-language sources. --Jakob (talk)  22:32, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello! I think the proper wording should be "monument to Shakespeare". Also, I think the hook would be even more intriguing if the phrase "an English garden in Weimar along the Ilm" were deleted altogether. This is the kind of explanation that readers should feel compelled to find out about when clicking. The Park an der Ilm will sound far less mysterious if we are immediately told what it is! So how about this ALT:
 * ALT: ... that the Park an der Ilm contains the first monument to Shakespeare (pictured) in continental Europe?
 * Special salutations to thoughtful and friendly ! Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 00:03, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The ALT is fine with me, and the other most welcome on the background of my alleged long history (or allegedly long history?) as an infobox warrior --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from prep as I think the hook statement is dubious. "Firsts" of this type are always dubious unless very well sourced and the sourcing for this statement isn't strong - also, there's at least one Shakespeare monument known to have been established in Europe prior to the one mentioned above, per this source. Gatoclass (talk) 04:14, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking. How about three "poets":
 * ALT2: ... that the Park an der Ilm, landscaped partly by Goethe, contains a monument to Shakespeare (pictured) by Lessing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I find it hard to imagine Goethe engaging in landscape gardening, and I'm having trouble verifying it in the supplied (German) source. Any chance you could give me an exact quote from source? Gatoclass (talk) 09:16, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I used that word because it hits at "English landscaped garden", but there are probably others for the fact that he influenced the development. The German Wikipedia has "Errichtung im 18. Jahrhundert unter Beteiligung von Johann Wolfgang von Goethe", this source says "Goethe's extensive landscaped park". No more time now, sorry, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I added more sources for Goethe as the designer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed for ALT2 hook now that further sources have been added, to be sure that they and the article fully support the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:12, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 supported by citation, other DYK criteria met. Image appropriately licensed, no close paraphrasing etc. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)