Template:Did you know nominations/Patricia Ratto


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 14:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Patricia Ratto

 * ... that Argentine author Patricia Ratto's novel Trasfondo depicts life on a submarine during the Falklands/Malvinas War?



Created by Jbmurray (talk). Self-nominated at 20:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC).
 * Symbol possible vote.svg Not Yet Ready for DYK: I commend you for creating this article, and I believe that it has fantastic potential. However, right now the article is way too short and is going to need a lot more references, so discussion right now for DYK is pre-mature.  While I have no doubt that that your hook statement is correct, it still needs a direct citation.  As a general rule, I tend to put a citation behind every sentence (except, say, for a topic or summarizing sentence at the beginning or end of a paragraph)--if I'm going to err, I'd rather err with too many citations rather than too few.  I recommend that you first expand the article and bring in a bunch more refs.  Then re-nominate it at a later time--I am optimistic that, come that time, it will be ready for DYK.  Good luck and best wishes!
 * Thanks for this. I believe it's easily more than 1500 characters, which I understood to be the number required for DYK.  What length do you believe is the minimum I should aim for? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. I believe it's easily more than 1500 characters, which I understood to be the number required for DYK.  What length do you believe is the minimum I should aim for? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your understanding. I wouldn't state a specific amount of characters, but perhaps you could add a bit of additional information.  More importantly, someone placed a tag about adding references, so I think it could have more of those.  If there was a way to do these things, I could revise my review.  Let me ask (I haven't done DYK reviews before)--I assume that an article does not need to be GA to get a DYK, would I be correct?  As long as that is so, then I would be happy to revise my review in the next day or so. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. I don't see a reference tag, but perhaps you feel it needs one. What references do you want? What needs to be referenced? And no, an article doesn't need to be GA for DYK. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 03:22, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd put a detailed citation behind every sentence (except, of course, for the lead-out statement, because by its nature, it is only there to summarize what is already in subsequent body of text the article). See if you can find a couple more sources too.  Also, be sure to blue link this article's mention in another article (i.e. in Patricia Ratto article), which will de-orphan it.  After you add the refs and de-orphan it, I can re-review it (and then I'll remove the template at the top asking for more refs).  Keep in mind that by vying for DYK, we are displaying these articles to the whole world, so we have to be sure they look extra-good on the front page profile.  Good luck! Garagepunk66 (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again. This is the Patricia Ratto article. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:21, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I was in a rush and misworded it (ouch!)--what I meant is that maybe we could see if there is another article that mentions her or one of her works, or we could add mention of her somewhere else, to alleviate the orphan tag. But, that won't matter much--lets just add a few sources and citations and I'll then give it the OK.  I think that's fair.  Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * More references have been added. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:58, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go. Ready for DYK. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * One thing: I want statement and the article to be DYK, but I have removed the "with 'rare beauty and admirable precision'" part of the statement, because we have to stick to just facts. The "rare beauty... part is subjective.  What is important is that Ratto's novel depicts life on a submarine during the Falklands/Malvinas War--which is absolutely correct--and that is what we want people to know. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. The "rare beauty and admirable precision" is in quotation marks because... it's a quotation. My understanding was that that's how DYK works: the hook has to come from a reliable source. As this does. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:39, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the question is "Did you know...?" We can't know the qualitative import of that statement with for sure with the certainty of fact, even if the statement is sourced, it is still a subjective opinion, so we cannot present it as if it is gospel truth.  But, we could say something like this:  "Did you know that Osvaldo Quiroga  praised what he considered to be the 'rare beauty and admirable precision' of Patricia Ratto's depiction of life on a submarine during the Falklands/Malvinas War?"  Now that would be a fact, even if it sounds wordy.  Why don't we try this: "Did you know that Osvaldo Quiroga  praised Patricia Ratto's depiction of life on a submarine during the Falklands/Malvinas War?"  What do you think? Garagepunk66 (talk) 20:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I hadn't seen this comment. At this stage I'm easy. Whatever.  :)  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:44, 11 December 2015 (UTC)