Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Michaux

Paul Michaux

 * ... that Paul Michaux (pictured) became the first president of the Conférence Olivaint, France's oldest student society, in 1897?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nugroho Notosusanto

Created by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 1 January 2013 (UTC)




 * Symbol confirmed.svg Article and hook is good to go. New and easily long enough.  Tracks the French wikipedia article largely, but that does not affect its eligibility for a DYK.  Multiple sources support hook, but those are all off line (and I WP:AGF as to those).   I edited, added material and pictures. Desktop plagiarism checker is clean. QPQ was done. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 09:23, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Though the article is interesting, the hook fact is not directly inline sourced—indeed, there are no sources for the last two sentences of the first paragraph of the Early career section, starting from when his presidency is stated. The start of the sentence "This medical conference" is confusing because from what the linked Conférence Olivaint article says, Olivaint wasn't a medical organization at all, though Michaux was a doctor. This needs to be clarified and cited before the article can be fully approved. I also have to admit that the hook was not that interesting to me: he became the first president of an organization I'd never heard of before and have no idea what it does or means. (And a mostly secret society to boot.) Might there be something more interesting in his pioneering sports competition or medical tool usage accomplishments? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:56, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to keep us all in communication, I've begun a good article review of this one at []. I'll probably put that on hold until this is done to avoid confusion; thanks, Blue, for alerting me that this was running also. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Khazar2. I actually don't think you need to wait on what happens with the review here: there have been any number of GANs that have completed (and been listed!) before the DYKs did. At this point it's mostly the hook, which shouldn't affect what you're concerned about. (The medical conference thing is something we'll both be looking to be solved, of course.) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thine Antique Pen (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The article changes look okay. Did you want to construct an ALT hook? As noted, the hook was not particularly interesting for the reasons stated above; it seems like a more generally interesting hook could (and probably should) be created. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the current one, as the Conférence Olivaint is the oldest French student society. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 00:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Then maybe you should add that fact (oldest French student society)—which would then need to be sourced in the article—to the hook, so the rest of the world has an immediate understanding as to what Conférence Olivaint is and why it's notable. Adding the context, much like we like to specify in the hook the sport involved when talking about an athlete, will give the hook more interest. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:35, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thine Antique Pen (talk) 11:34, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Approved: hook facts in article, sourcing accepted AGF (except "oldest" bit, which is accessible online); moved the new oldest fact to the end of the paragraph, because it didn't make sense to call it oldest during it's very early days (and we don't know that it was the oldest back then, just that it is today). Rest of approval per original review. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)