Template:Did you know nominations/Philadelphia municipal election, 1953


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:55, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Philadelphia municipal election, 1953

 * ... that in the 1953 Philadelphia municipal election, Democrats nominated Joseph F. Vogt without opposition even though he died a month before the primary?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Inès de Bourgoing
 * Comment: the relevant fact and citation is in the "other row offices" section.

Created by Coemgenus (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC).

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 * Might this be a possible hook to run on U.S. Election Day, next Tuesday, November 8? Daniel Case (talk) 06:19, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me! --Coemgenus (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. Anything related to real or imagined irregularities in US elections, past or present, needs to wait until after the current election.  E Eng  07:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call it an irregularity. The guy died before the primary but not in time to have him removed from the ballot. It happens. But whatever, I'm not looking to make a larger point, just to get a DYK processed. --Coemgenus (talk) 11:33, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't imagine you were trying to make a point, but there are plenty of nuts out there now who will read only the hook, ignore the innocent facts, and try to make something if it. Anyway, under the normal DYK review schedule, you'll be lucky to get this through before the next US presidential election, so I'm not sure why I was worried in the first place.  E Eng  15:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, I've changed the "political machine" lines. Wasn't meant to be derogatory, just wanted to use a different phrase than "party organization." The sources are in the order they were published. I rephrased the sentence you found ambiguous. As to the hook: the nomination takes effect when someone wins the primary, so Vogt was nominated after he died. As to the office being defunct, there was obviously a difference of opinion, so maybe we could change it to "... that in the 1953 Philadelphia municipal election, Democrats nominated a dead man for an office that was abolished before the election?" --Coemgenus (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Ah. OK, I'll buy that, accepting. However, how about changing the relevant sentence to "The Democrats nominated Joseph F. Vogt without opposition though he died a month before the primary."? "Dems did A but B happened", at least to me, implies B happened after A. The next sentence says September ... what was the date of the primary?
 * Not a blocker, but going down Sources section, publication dates: May, September, October 53, January 53, January 54, November 53, May 53 ... ? --GRuban (talk) 17:26, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That change is fine with me. The order of the sources is alphabetical by author where there is an author, and by title where there isn't. Maybe I should reorganize it.... --Coemgenus (talk) 17:38, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Please do make the change, and yes, you should reorder; alphabetising on title sometimes and author sometimes is not right. Also, I notice 2 entries from Philadelphia Inquirer, Nov 1, 1953, same page, same title, different authors... that happen to have the same first name and middle initial. Really? --GRuban (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, actually, that's accurate! Both named William J. ______. The two op-ed pieces ran side-by-side that day. You should be able to view it here. --Coemgenus (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2016 (UTC)