Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Andrea Doria as God of Sea


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:30, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Portrait of Andrea Doria as God of Sea

 * ... that Bronzino's portrait of Genoan admiral Andrea Doria as Neptune (pictured) originally had him holding an oar and not a trident?
 * ALT1:... that the stiff wood in Bronzino's portrait of Genoan admiral Andrea Doria (pictured) may stand for an erection?
 * Reviewed: Robban Andersson

Created by Hafspajen (talk), Crisco 1492 (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 09:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Long enough, new enough. No close paraphrasing, copyvio or plagiarism detected in the sources I could check. Neutral. QPQ partially done. My only real problem with this at the moment is that I'm not sure about the sources support for some of the conclusions (for example, does Greek Religion really support "He chose to be depicted nude as the "God of the Sea". Poseidon's main domain is the ocean, and Doria was a successful admiral" or just "Poseidon's main domain is the sea"?). The English title of the painting and the article comes from where? I've also shifted mentions of Poseidon towards Neptune in the article as that is the Italian title and Genoa would have more in common with the Roman tradition than the Greek. The two hooks are both fine (but Poseidon may need changing to Neptune in the first hook if you agree with my change) Belle (talk) 16:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Belle, it is the same god, the one is the Greek name the other is the Roman name. I chose not to specify. I have seen this painting sometimes titled as Posseidon. I can give you loads of references for any of the above you found as problematic. This for example say it: Hafspajen (talk) 23:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * ALT2 ... that Bronzino's portrait of Genoan admiral Andrea Doria as God of Sea (pictured) originally had him holding an oar and not a trident?
 * I think, per WP:COMMONNAME, Belle is probably right. The majority of art critics seem to use the name Neptune (as in, the post-amalgamation Neptune, not the original Roman deity before he was fused with Poseidon), rather the non-specific God of the Sea. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:07, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is the reference saying he chose to depict himself as nude...READ HERE it is from this book -.
 * Have no oppinion above. Sea of God is good enough for me - Here about marine god -  ... but do as you like. ... Hafspajen(talk) 01:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Belle, I've moved this to "... Neptune" since I agree sources better reflect this name. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I'll give this the tick as soon as the QPQ review is complete. This sentence still needs citing or removing though: "Neptune's main domain is the ocean, and Doria was a successful admiral." It's not a problem in itself (though, in fact, we don't need telling these facts as they are are either general knowledge or elsewhere in the article), but its position implies that somebody has said this is why he choose to be shown as Neptune (It sounds like a very reasonable explanation and I'm sure if somebody asked me to say why he chose to be depicted as Neptune I might have come up with that, but unfortunately I am not a reliable source; or, sadly, as anybody who knows me will tell you, reliable in general) Belle (talk) 07:45, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Dealt with. QPQ waiting for a reply from the nom. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Changed QPQ, as apparently someone was not patient enough to let the nominator respond. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You'd have fun with that one! I'll donate one of my reviews for QPQ as I'm feeling sorry for you (It's not a pity pass, I just think you have better things to do with your time than demangling sausages in sausage bread, like lining up bird pictures for the FP section on the main page; joke; stop hitting me; owwww!). Belle (talk) 12:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Belle, you are a naughty girl. Hafspajen (talk) 17:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Ready to go with original hook or ALT1 (see my review above and pick one of my other reviews for QPQ requirement). Picture is fine too. Belle (talk) 12:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Demangling sausages in sausage bread? Heck, they all look the same once the bread makes it into my stomach! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)