Template:Did you know nominations/Praise To the Living God


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:12, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Praise To the Living God

 * ... that "Praise to the Living God" can be used in both Jewish and Christian worship as a hymn written for interfaith use?


 * Reviewed: Controversies surrounding Grand Theft Auto IV

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 06:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg New enough (June 12), long enough (1,613 char.),neutral, well cited throughout, AGF on close para issues, hook shorter than 200 characters, interesting, neutral, QPQ done, no image. The article states that "Mann wrote a version that was suitable for use in both Jewish and Christian worship" but it doesn't actually say whether it was. Does one of the sources support the fact that it's been used in interfaith services? Otherwise, I'd just swap has been out with can be. Article is also classified as a stub. Bob Amnertiopsis ∴ChatMe! 23:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have made the change and removed the stub tag (which shouldn't have been on there).  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 08:28, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Thanks! Hook cited to ref 2 and accepted IGF. Ready to go! Bob Amnertiopsis ∴ChatMe! 19:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg The hook is a little wordy. What do you think about:
 * ALT1: ... that "Praise to the Living God" is a Christianized version of the Jewish hymn "Yigdal", written for interfaith worship? Yoninah (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Also suitable. Checked; accepted IGF. Bob Amnertiopsis ∴ChatMe! 01:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer the original hook as the alt is slightly misleading because PTTLG was created as a more accurate translation of Yigdal, not as a Christianised version which is what The God of Abraham Praise was.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 10:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * But the original is misleading: No self-respecting Jewish worship service would use it, only an interfaith service. Do you want to say:
 * ALT2: ... that "Praise to the Living God" is a hymn written for interfaith use? Yoninah (talk) 14:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have seen this but I still think the original is better as alt2 seems vague.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 21:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg I have returned this nom from prep as I cannot understand the article and can't figure out whether or not the hook is correct as a result. The article needs to be rewritten for greater clarity. Gatoclass (talk) 12:32, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have made changes to make the hook clearer.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 08:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That helps, thanks, but the article is still difficult to follow. I would have done a rewrite myself, but unfortunately most of the sources appear to be offline.
 * One of the problems is this sentence: They ... placed the first line of "The God of Abraham Praise" above "Praise to The Living God". I don't know what this means, does it mean they added the first line of "The God of Abraham Praise" to the beginning of the other hymn? Gatoclass (talk) 08:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Done that.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 08:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Is the "Gannett" version the version that has been widely adopted? If so, I think that should be added to the article. Gatoclass (talk) 09:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Gannett was a revision, not a separate version.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 09:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * So the Gannett version isn't the version that's been widely adopted? Either way, I think that needs to be clarified.
 * Another issue: the article says the editors of the hymnal wanted to replace the words of "The God of Abraham Praise" with those of "Praise to the Living God". But did they also change the title to "Praise to the Living God"? Or is that hymn still known as "The God of Abraham Praise"? Gatoclass (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you're misreading it. It says that TGOAP was replaced in some hymnals by PTTLG, they're two separate hymns. The only difference is they used the first line of TGOAP in those hymnals for PTTLG.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 09:31, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * They used the first line of TGOAP, fine, but what did they call the hybrid hymn? Gatoclass (talk) 09:42, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Okay, the article could be a bit more specific here and there but with the recent series of tweaks I think it's probably easier to follow now. I have made a few tweaks to the article myself so a fresh eye will now be needed for re-review. Gatoclass (talk) 10:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Thanks for your suggestions and  for your work on the article; it reads much more clearly now in its distinctions between TGOAP and PTTLG. "Mann wrote "Praise to the Living God" as a version of Yigdal that was suitable for use in both Jewish and Christian worship" is cited to ref #2 which is offline, so accepted in good faith and suitable to support the first hook. Article is still above the character count threshold (1,605 characters). I'd say it's ready to go.  Bob Amnertiopsis ∴ChatMe! 13:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)