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Prince Leopold Clement of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

 * ... that the failure of Prince Leopold Clement (pictured) to marry his girlfriend led her to burn his face with acid and commit suicide after fatally wounding him?
 * Reviewed: William North, 6th Baron North

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self nominated at 20:31, 16 June 2013 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg New, long, neutral, QPQ good. Kind of epic DYK, don't you think? Though I think it's somewhat misleading to say that she fatally wounded him (it's true, but in the context of the hook, it makes it look like he died immediately)—do you want to change that? Since he lived, it wasn't a murder-suicide, but a m-s attempt. Also on the article itself, does the book say her bullet went through her heart? I'll AGF but it'd be nice if you could add the quote param. Thanks for bringing this fact to my attention—definitely one of the best DYKs I've seen. Do you want to try to include a picture? czar   &middot;   &middot;  05:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for commenting! I'll assume that by "epic DYK", you meant a good one, rather than an exceedingly long one :D I too wondered whether it's appropriate to say that she murdered him (and that it was therefore a murder-suicide), given that he did not die immediately. Apparently, it is still a murder. Had he survived the attack for a year and a day, then some jurisdictions would not have considered it a murder. Since he died within six months, I think it's safe to call it a murder - sources themselves do. I am not sure what to say about "fatally wounding him". We both agree it's accurate to say so, and I am not sure how to make it clear that he did not die immediately (or whether that's necessary at all). As for the article, the book says that she was "shot through the heart". I've added both the quote and the image per your suggestions. Thanks a lot once again! Surtsicna (talk) 11:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Epic as in "grand in scale", which it most certainly is—mistress kills heir apparent with vitriol? Jeez. I don't think the m-s phrasing is a big deal, just problematic, but it won't be a big deal to let it run as is. (Also not sure that year+day applies in this jurisdiction, my concern was really just about confusing readers, but again, I don't think it's worth further complicating. So only remaining issue would be the picture—I can't verify its PD status. The website source asserts that it owns the copyright to the page and we don't know whether 2013 is within or outside the life of the photograph's author plus 70 years, which it could conceivably be. Can you revise my logic or otherwise replace the image? (By the way, I do think an image is worth adding—good work) czar   &middot;   &middot;  21:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I dug some more and found this image but couldn't place it in this index. Maybe you'll have more luck? The site seems to be a bit better about noting image sources. czar   &middot;   &middot;  21:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg After exerting considerable effort, I don't think we'll find that image's source. It's also PD in America as a pre-1916 image. I don't have 100% confirmation that it's indeed him, such as proof from a reliable source, but it is posted around the Internet as him, so I'll AGF (in general, not the WP guideline) on your and the Internet's part. Very good work with this article. Something to be proud about. czar   &middot;   &middot;  22:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the effort anyway. You'll be glad to hear that we can be 100% sure that the man is Leopold Clement because this photograph identifies the man with glasses as Leopold Clement. The man with the glasses is obviously the man whose photograph we have here, i.e. Leopold Clement. As for being proud, I cannot say I am not. I was not able to find anything that even confirmed his existence until Ghmyrtle helped me at the reference desk, and now it looks neat. Hopefully the readers will be as interested you and I were. Surtsicna (talk) 22:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And it continues even after the DYK closes. I can't confirm the site's validity (or my shoddy translation), but I believe you. And still, what you did with the ref desk's references is what counts most here, and your handiwork shows. czar   &middot;   &middot;  22:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Re-ticking for admin closure visibility. czar   &middot;   &middot;  20:48, 26 June 2013 (UTC)