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Prince of Wales (ship)

 * ... that in 1788 the convict ship Prince of Wales drifted helplessly off Rio de Janeiro for a day, because her crew were too ill to bring her into port?

5x expanded by Euryalus (talk). Self nominated at 03:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC).


 * The article has been expanded five times from original length and is certainly long enough. The topic is comprehensively covered and the article interesting, well written and well illustrated. Important contribution!


 * The hook fact is mentioned in the lead but without a source. I can't find it in the text either. That is, what is the source for the "helpless drifting"? Am I missing it? Also, does "relations among the marines were poor" mean relations among marines (that is, they argued with one another?) or is the intended meaning that relations between marines and passengers were poor? The sentences that follow seem to imply that the meaning is about discipline rather than "relations", which I understand to mean morale or civility. It is all interesting, so as a reader I would like to be clear who was causing trouble for whom.


 * Not sure if you've done a review of another nomination, as required by DYK nomination rules.

Whiteghost.ink (talk) 06:05, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words, and for taking the time to do a review. The hook is mentioned in mildly different words in the second last paragraph of "Return to England" - "When Rio was finally sighted on October 13 the remaining crew were too ill to bring the ship to port. She drifted helplessly in the outer harbor until Rio's harbourmaster sighted her the following morning and had additional seamen rowed out to assist." The references are both Gillen and Cavanagh - Gillen is a hardcopy ref and Cavanagh requires jstor access, alas.


 * Re the marines, I mean relations between the marines - will change it to discipline as you suggest, because that fits better. Their relations with the convicts were not poor, as evidenced by the large number of female convicts on Prince of Wales who later "married" marines.


 * I haven't reviewed another DYK because I am a DYK newcomer (only two noms ever) and so didn't realise I had to. But happy to do one, will have a look through now. Euryalus (talk) 22:01, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought I must have missed the "drifting helplessly" reference. Sorry about that. You have put a lot of work into making an article that helpfully and interestingly develops the First Fleet story in this encyclopedia. I take the hard copy refs in good faith. I have no problem with "ill" because "sick" is associated with vomiting but I appreciate the effort to introduce an elegant variation where there was repetition in the text. Likewise, I have no problem with "died of". "Buried at sea" is an improvement. I think the change to "discipline" makes things clearer. I fixed the link to John White - just check that it is in fact the right person. Although there are a lot of John Whites, I don't suppose there were two John White surgeons associated with the First Fleet!
 * You don't need to review another article if you are a newcomer. I just wasn't sure. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 08:58, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go.