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Rainthorpe Hall

 * ... that the former owner of Rainthorpe Hall (pictured), J Maurice Hastings, was described by Sir Cecil Maurice Bowra as throwing "wild parties" there?
 * Reviewed: Alex B. Novikoff
 * Comment: Reviewed and passed through Articles for creation today.

Moved to mainspace by Eaglefarmer (talk), Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 14:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg DYK check says article has not been expanded 5x since it was first created. This link has information about the first owners, the Appleyards and Chapmans, as well as other information which could be used to expand the article. NinaGreen (talk) 21:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As this is a new article, moved from AfC to mainspace on November 13, the 5x expansion is not required, simply that the article be at least 1500 prose characters, which it is according to DYKcheck. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:27, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The edit history for this article says it was created 28 October, so I took it that it couldn't be new within the past five days, and that it therefore had to have been expanded within the past five days, which DYK check said it wasn't. I must be missing something. I don't want to hold up the nomination, but I would appreciate some help with understanding how to apply the rule before completing the review. Thanks. NinaGreen (talk) 16:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * If you look at the DYKcheck results, the third line reads: "Article moved from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rainthorpe Hall on November 13, 2013". If an "Article moved" line lists a "from" that is not in mainspace—in this case, it started in "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation", but sometimes it can be in a user's sandbox or subdirectory in user space—then it doesn't start being counted as new until the date of that move, even if it was "created" earlier. This is discussed in WP:DYKSG, and also in the WP:DYK Eligibility criteria: 1. d). As it says there, an article can be worked on for months in user space or at Articles for Creation; it's the move to article space that starts the five-day new clock ticking. Since that move was on November 13, it is considered new as of that date. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks; didn't notice that. Article is thus new, long enough, has inline citations throughout, image is free, offline source for hook AGF. Good to go! !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NinaGreen (talk • contribs) 02:39, 18 November 2013‎


 * ALT1 without a pic: ... that according to English classical scholar and former Oxford vice-chancellor Maurice Bowra, Rainthorpe Hall, an Elizabethan country house in Norfolk, was a venue for "wild parties"? --PFHLai (talk) 14:19, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Striking the "English classical scholar and" part of the hook, as it isn't mentioned in the article, and not truly necessary. Ritchie333, is this hook okay with you? BlueMoonset (talk) 17:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, "Elizabethan country house" is also missing, and needs to be added to the article; what I want to cut from the hook is actually the "vice-chancellor" part. The idea is that a classical scholar writing about a medieval house is not expected to talk about wild parties. --PFHLai (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The source mentions "Elizabethan" but the phrase "Elizabethan country house" is not in the source, and would be original research to put it in the hook. That said, I'll ping Giano, our resident historical architecture expert, and let him decide which hook is best. Ritchie333   (talk)   (cont)   16:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)