Template:Did you know nominations/Risquons-Tout


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The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 11:52, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nominator

Risquons-Tout

 * ... that émigrés attempting to overthrow the Belgian government were defeated in a battle at Risquons-Tout (illustrated)?
 * ALT1: ... that the name of the hamlet of Risquons-Tout is French for "let's risk it all", and it is named after a sign for a cabaret?
 * Reviewed: Philippines–Poland relations
 * Comment: A sentence and a half were copied from Belgian Legion.
 * Also, I will have only sporadic internet access until January 31; I would appreciate it if I'm allowed a suitable grace period to respond to any potential issues.  Oreo Priest  talk 16:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC) I'm back now.  Oreo Priest  talk 15:51, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Created by Oreo Priest (talk). Self nominated at 01:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC).
 * Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. However, it is not complete enough, even for a start article. If you're writing about the village, I would assume there are travel guides you could consult to describe the history, architecture, tourist sites, etc. If you're writing about the Risquons-Tout Incident, I would think you would start a separate page for that. Even the material for that incident is rather sketchy; reading the source in footnote 2, for example, I see a whole background history leading up to and explaining why Belgian migrant workers returned to Belgium and joined revolutionary groups. (BTW the first line under Risquons-Tout Incident doesn't reflect the source material accurately.) Yoninah (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * In what way does it not reflect the source material accurately? I see "... called for a revolution following the French example, with the ousting of Leopold and foundation of a republic." As for "it is not complete enough" even though it's long enough, I'm not sure I understand what part of the DYK criteria you're referring to. Surely articles on DYK don't have to already be exhaustive treatments of the subject matter.  Oreo Priest  talk 14:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I tried to be very specific in my comment; I don't understand what you don't understand about it. The source for the first sentence under Risquons-Tout Incident says that these migrant workers were asked to leave Paris, and only when they got to Belgium did they meet up with republican groups trying to overthrow the monarchy. Not only is your sentence inaccurate, but it attempts to sum up a whole background history in one line. Of course DYK articles don't have to be "expansive", but as I mentioned, the article says a little about the village and a little about the Incident, and ends up saying very little about either. Yoninah (talk) 23:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It does, in fact, reflect the source accurately: "The most serious episode involving returning workers [from Paris] occurred late in March. A band, rumored at over six thousand, calling itself the Belgian Legion, was armed and had a military organization. At Lille it received its final organization and weapons. ... The Legion entered Belgium in two groups. ... The second group entered Belgium on March 29 at Risquons-Tout, headed for Brussels by way of Mouseron."
 * As for incompleteness, I don't agree with your conclusion. Surely a complete article on the village would include a treatment of the most famous event in its history. So if the prose is long enough for DYK, and the prose all belongs in the article, then how can it be too short for DYK? It should be remembered that this is not a GA nomination. At any rate, I am very busy at the moment and won't have time to improve the article to make it any longer.  Oreo Priest  talk 18:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg OK, we disagree on whether WP:DYKSG applies here. Perhaps another editor would like to look at this and evaluate its suitability for DYK? BTW there's a "citation needed" tag on one paragraph. Yoninah (talk) 10:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg The article has two unsourced paragraphs (both with substantial information content), so it is not currently ready for DYK. Beyond that, I agree with Yoninah's assessment. There is scant information here regarding the place itself; most of the article is about the incident, so it's hard to call this an adequate article about the place. The incident is one that has been written about extensively by historians -- and seems (based on my superficial web search) to be the subject of some controversy among historians, so it is worthy of a substantially longer separate article. --Orlady (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks to all who took the time to look at it. Nomination withdrawn.  Oreo Priest  talk 13:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)