Template:Did you know nominations/Rolf Beck


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The result was: promoted by sstflyer 12:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Rolf Beck

 * ... that Rolf Beck conducted at age 70 the choral academies which he founded, presenting Carmina burana in Brazil and Bach motets at the Rheingau Musik Festival?


 * Reviewed: Perovskia atriplicifolia

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC).


 * , the hook structure seems awkward to me. If I'm understanding its meaning, may I suggest:
 * Alt1 ... that at age 70, music conductor Rolf Beck is still active with choral academies he founded, presenting Carmina burana in Brazil and Bach motets at the Rheingau Musik Festival?
 * It's 179 characters, by my count. — Maile (talk) 17:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I like that,- always open to better wording, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook is settled. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Barely long enough and new enough when this article was nominated. No NPOV or BLP violations that I can see - some sources are weak but appear to be adequate to carry uncontroversial claims. As a native German speaker I did compare the article text with the sources and didn't spot any copyright violations, plagiarism or close paraphrasing save for Beck studied law at the Marburg University and Lausanne University which falls under WP:FACTSONLY I believe (the stricter editors may prefer to rearrange the order). Some issues: Sources #2 and #5 are linking to a general page; some material is sourced to the "About Us" pages but the He founded a Chorakademie as part of the festival, a place of study and performance for young international singers. After retiring, he kept directing the academy under the new name Internationale Chorakademie Lübeck (International Choral Academy Lübeck). and He founded in 2015 a choral academy in Brazil, performing first Carl Orff's Carmina burana. With the Lübeck academy, he conducted four of Bach's motets for the Rheingau Musik Festival at St. Stephan, Mainz on 27 August 2015 I can't find. This also makes the hook hard to verify. The very last sentence needs a source. QPQ is done.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:59, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I was away, sorry. - Added a review of the RMF concert. The German version has a wayback ref for the last line, but I have problems to get it to English. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you use the German wayback version? It is suitable as well.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * * when I take it to English I don't get the link, - have little experience with archived links. Could of course take the other data without the link, - how is that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * * That could work as well. The other sourcing issues still need fixing, though (very last sentence and the two quoted sentences).Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * * Instead, I found a ref, and it was about the last half sentence. Which quotes? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

The sentences I quoted in my review before; they are sourced to http://www.chorakademie-luebeck.de/#!rolf-beckengl/c1buw which is just a homepage. Some of that material I did find on the other pages from that site but not all. I see that the last half sentence is now sourced.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Think I got it, looked for quotes in the article ... - One ref doubled, one added. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Almost good to go, but which webpage does the "Konzerte" source refer to? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I looked it up. Seems like they recently restructured their website, with the specific links no longer working but new specific links. Sorry about that, must have been confusing. I looked up their "calendar", it covers (only) the future (which RMF was when I wrote it). I haven't discovered an archive of performances yet, but the one then in their preview has now a press review (on top of that I was there ;) ) I made the whole site an external link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ugh. Website restructurings ... the bane of weblink using things. Now only the date of the playing of Bach's motet and the retirement need to be resolved; the first shows a different date in the source, the second is not mentioned in the article.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Added RMF concert announcement. Of course the date of the concert is not the one of the review, or what did I miss? The retirement - names of choir things is in his bio on the choirs official web. - Worse than web new design: translating German articles and having to dig up sources ;) - Rehearsal, no more from me today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Can I help you to anything else? That he was director of the Festival until 2013 is mentioned in source 3, Festival, in a list of directors, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg OK, now it seems ready to go. Hook is now present in the text and verified. I assume that these sources are reliable enough for their scopes.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:04, 23 September 2015 (UTC)