Template:Did you know nominations/Ronin (film)


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Ronin (film)

 * ... that Time film critic Richard Schickel labeled Ronin as "a sly masterpiece"? FN. 39
 * ALT1:... that John Frankenheimer's action thriller Ronin inspired the video games Burnout and Alpha Protocol? FNs. 55 and 57
 * Reviewed: List of accolades received by I, Tonya ‎

Improved to Good Article status by Slightlymad (talk). Self-nominated at 05:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC).


 * On it. Symbol confirmed.svg G2G w/ALT1. Timely; obv. long enough [~22.4k elig. chars.]; obv. within policy, although there are random bits of text that need copy editing (comma issues in lead sentence and in video game section [fixt], "top ten movie macguffin", "...he considered flawless and highly influential than...", the paragraph on macguffins having a footnote that should simply be worked into the main text, the same paragraph veering off into random unrelated film influences, &c.); Earwig just picks up on some of the quotes; QPQ done; my personal opinion as someone who loved this movie is that there are much more interesting new details in this article to use as hooks (David Mamet being the writer; Dave Mamet using a pseudonym and why; the personal background on using the name Ronin despite the French setting; The Battle of Algiers shoutout; the need to give a writer's credit to a guy whose script they didn't use a single line from; alt endings; "Did we nail it? You know, not even close..."; etc.) but, meh, both hooks are terse enough and second hook is at least minimally interesting. (Random movie reviewer X making bland movie compliment Y is not.) The extra links in the hook are going to get more clicks than your article's, but if that's your choice who am I to argue?  Mods: for some reason, the DYK check script isn't recognizing that this article was promoted to GA status in the last ten days, despite that obviously being the case despite the grammar and writing issues. Is this a known bug? —  Llywelyn II   20:01, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Jeez, you're right about the hooks being less interesting. Given that the second hook has already had your tepid approval, could I still add some of your suggestions? Slightlymad 04:13, 25 January 2018 (UTC) Here are some of the hook alternatives I propose per your suggestion:
 * ALT2:... that David Mamet rewrote the action thriller Ronin under a pseudonym?
 * ALT3:... that, despite director John Frankenheimer's preference for the first ending he had shot for Ronin, the test audience hated it? Slightlymad 04:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Sure, those are fine and sourced. Whoever promotes this can choose one. [I like ALT3 best, but it's an AGF approval since it's sourced to an audio track on a DVD I don't have; ALT2 is also good: technically, he rewrote it as himself and took credit under the pseudonym, but I don't think that hair needs to be split. Pseudonyms are all about the credit taking.] — Llywelyn II   07:59, 25 January 2018 (UTC)