Template:Did you know nominations/Shimizu Shikin


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Shimizu Shikin

 * ... that lecturer Shimizu Shikin turned to writing when Japanese law changed and barred women from political assembly?


 * ALT1: ... that Shimizu Shikin wrote about social issues facing women in Meiji Japan?
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Created by SusunW (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 2 March 2016 (UTC).


 * Core criteria checked. The first hook looks good, I like it better than the alt since Meiji Japan may be unknown to many readers. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg As the review seems to be incomplete, I boldly take over. Interesting bio on good sources, offline source accepted AGF. I also like the original (sourced) hook better. Article: "She became one of the first women professional journalists in Japan." Really? If you want to avoid the adjective "female", I think you have to say "She became one of the first professional women journalists in Japan." (can't use "women" in a series of adjectives, I think), or - better - reword it entirely. Then it might even become a more interesting hook, - professional journalist at that time being more interesting than "lecturer". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've flipped it, what about: SusunW (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT2 ... that when Japanese law changed and barred women from political assembly, Shimizu Shikin quit public speaking and became one of the country's first professional women journalists?
 * I like that, but wonder about the link to public speaking, - please explain, probably my language, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * She was never a lecturer in the sense of academics, i.e. a professor, she was an activist and public speaker, talking about social issues. Like a precursor to a labor organizer or political organizer, she traveled from town to town talking about issues to arouse public support. When women were banned from political assembly, she could no longer do that, as she couldn't gather crowds. Pretty hard to rally support from afar before the internet ;) SusunW (talk) 15:41, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * How about saying "public speaking then, to avoid misunderstanding?
 * Easy enough. I tweaked it. Thanks ! SusunW (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but am having trouble finding the inline cite for the part about her being forced to turn to writing when public activism was barred. Could you point it out to me? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand what the issue is. It's not part of the hook. The law would no longer allow her to pursue her chosen profession, thus, she was forced by those circumstances to quit speaking. Information about the law is on pge 222 SusunW (talk) 14:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks for the link; page 222 wasn't appearing in my Google book view. Now I understand the connection. Restoring tick per Gerda Arendt's review. Yoninah (talk) 14:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)