Template:Did you know nominations/Shisha Gumbad


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The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 13:13, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues

Shisha Gumbad

 * ... that Shisha Gumbad is a monument constructed between 1489 and 1517 CE houses tombs of an unknown family that may have been a part of the Lodhi family?



Created by AKS.9955 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC).


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 * Matters that need to be addressed:
 * The first paragraph in the Construction section does not have any inline citations. Per the DYK supplementary rules #D2, "The article in general should use inline, cited sources. A rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph, excluding the intro, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize other cited content."
 * Regarding the hook, this source used in the article states that the person buried in the tomb is unknown, and it states that "There is no indication as to why these were built. In all probability they are buildings of the Lodhi period." This source states, "It is not known who lies buried. here. It was perhaps built during Sikandar Lodi's reign (A.D. 1489-1517)", but may not be a reliable source. Inre this matter, the article and hook needs to be updated to state that the era when this person was placed in the tomb is estimated, rather than (as worded) certain.
 * Regarding the construction dates, this source used in the article states about the "Sheesh Gumbad (Tomb)" that "These monuments (Tombs) were built between 1433 to 1533". This contradicts the dates in the article and hook. This source, which I view to be unreliable, and hence not usable to verify content of the hook, states that "Sheesh Gumbad, which stands opposite, was built around the same time", in reference to the time period of 1494. Better sourcing is needed to verify the claim that the tomb was built between 1489-1517 CE. North America1000 04:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello North America, following are my comments and action taken.
 * Inline citation. Apologies for the oversight, citations added.
 * Hook:Amended.
 * Construction dates: I have also provided this source in the article. Please let me know if this can be accepted for 1489-1517?
 * Many thanks for your time and quick revert; appreciate it. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  14:27, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the improvements. Unless I'm missing something, I'm not seeing it mentioned in any of the sources about the unknown person "from the last lineage of the Lodhi Dynasty". North America1000 01:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello North America, it is mentioned in this source available in the article (under title "Glazed tiles"). Please let me know if something else is needed. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  02:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Wikimapia is not usable as a reliable source to verify this content, because the website consists of user-generated content. A better source is needed to move forward. North America1000 00:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello North America, I have added further sources, amended the write-up, amended the hook. There were minor corrections needed. Please let me know if this is in line or something else is needed. Cheers, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  04:14, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol delete vote.svg Sorry, but I have provided a detailed review and two follow-up reviews (including this one), and there are still problems, both with the (now revised) hook and in the article. I am not going to contribute further here at this point, because problems continue to occur, and this has taken up enough of my time. Problems that need to be addressed at this time include:
 * None of the sources used in the article state that the unknown family "may have been a part of the Lodhi family".
 * This source states "The Dome houses the graves of an unidentified family that may have been a part of the royal courts of Emperor Sikander Lodi." However, it does not state anything about the people potentially being a part of the Lodhi family. The reliability of the source is also questionable.
 * This source states that "Sheesh Gumbad is the tomb of an important Lodhi family", but does not state anything about the people potentially being among the rulers during the Lodi dynasty. It seems to imply that the burial there occurred during the Lodhi dynasty. The source is from Expedia.com, a commercial website, so it's reliability may be considered as questionable. Where did Expedia get this information from? The Expedia article provides no sources.
 * Per the above, I have added two Failed verification templates to the sentences in the article that state the claim of the buried people potentially being a part of the Lodhi family. North America1000 10:35, 7 November 2015 (UTC)