Template:Did you know nominations/Sigma II-65 war game


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The result was: promoted by Fuebaey (talk) 01:35, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Sigma II-65 war game

 * ... that the Sigma II-65 war game was held although four prior Sigma games foresaw that escalating the Vietnam War would lead to more U.S. casualties?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bathycrinus aldrichianus
 * Comment: There is probably no better example of an influential group of politically powerful men ignoring the blatantly obvious than Sigma II-65 than the Johnson administration blowing off this war simulation. At least four previous Sigma war games had warned that American intervention in Vietnam would be unsuccessful; after war's end, they could be seen as "eerily prophetic". (Quote courtesy of H. R. McMasters). Nevertheless, Lyndon Baines Johnson shunned the predictions of Sigma II-65 and pressed on in a losing cause. "He's knee deep in the Big Muddy, but the big fool says push on." (And thank you, Pete Seeger.)
 * (DISCLOSURE The lead to this article is being used in several allied articles. NONE of that lead should be counted for qualifying any article for DYK.)

Created/expanded by Georgejdorner (talk). Self nominated at 17:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg OK, just a couple of quick notes. The article is new enough and large enough, even if the lead is excluded. The hook is fine. Two minor remarks: 1) as a DYK article, it shouldn't be tagged as a stub, and 2) inline referencing should be fixed ("increased American casualties.[2]", "supervised election in the south.[7]" and the like). Will continue the review within a day or two, hopefully. GregorB (talk) 00:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I posted a stub template when I began the article; some categorist changed it to a stub according to them. I posted the template I should had on this article's Talk page from the start, and rated the article Start class.
 * I did not post those dead cites like that. I don't know what happened to cause that. It's going to be a pain in the posterior to recheck every single cite in that article, but I'll get it done and let you know when it is fixed.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * A backtrack through edit history shows that some of my proper cites vanished between 0833 and 0836 19 November. The cyber-cops have been notified of the theft.
 * Enough cheap wit. The cites are fixed.Georgejdorner (talk) 03:36, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, looks fine now re those issues. Will continue the review later. GregorB (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg So: could not detect any problems with the article in terms of structure, neutrality and style/language. Inline referencing used throughout. The sources seem reliable. They are offline (books), so I couldn't check for close paraphrasing - AGF on that. The hook is supported by the text, which is in turn supported by an inline ref - again, AGF for offline content. (BTW, a very interesting topic: I don't think I've ever heard of these war games being discussed at all in relation to the Vietnam War.) I have just one more minor remark, but I'm leaving it for the talk page - the article is good to go. GregorB (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)