Template:Did you know nominations/Sofia Simmonds


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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 10:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Sofia Simmonds

 * ... that biochemist Sofia Simmonds, despite her scientific accomplishments, was not promoted to full professor at Yale until nearly 30 years after she started there?

Created by Ragesoss (talk). Self nominated at 19:43, 27 March 2014 (UTC).


 * I reviewed Catherine Clarke Fenselau.--ragesoss (talk) 19:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * :hook fact is implied but there is no start date for her working at yale "joined the laboratory of Edward Tatum" doesnt tell me where the lab was/is. Ideally it would be great to have a sentence with "30" in it with a ref at the end. thanks Victuallers (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Victuallers: Thanks! I amended the article and reworded the hook slightly (after making a correction upon rereading the source).--ragesoss (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ...and a ref at the end of the sentence? Victuallers (talk) 09:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Whoops, thought I'd done that. Done now.--ragesoss (talk) 10:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Approve in good faith because the ref is from a book. New article, long enough, well written and sourced (and interesting). Hook is under 200 characters. QPQ. And the sources I could review checked out. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 14:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Unfortunately, the year of her promotion to full professor is given as 1976 in the intro but 1975 in the article; this discrepancy needs settling, especially as it affects the hook. Also, I found the "non-tenured" fact in the intro interesting, and think it should be in the body of the article (along with whether she was granted tenure when she was made full professor), but the DYK can proceed without further tenure clarity. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe ragesoss can check the date given in the book again or maybe 1975 is the typo. This source cites 1976 as the year she became a full professor. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 18:29, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping so. The Yale source you just cited also gives her move to Yale as being in 1945, so 1976 would be over 30 years; it also says that 1969 is later than 1976 (the departmental reorganization), so it clearly wasn't written with care for factual precision. Unfortunately. I think I'd go with more reliable sourcing... BlueMoonset (talk) 18:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll check soon. I think the Fruton book (which I trust a lot more than the bulletin) says 1975, but I don't have the book with on hand at the moment.--ragesoss (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * BlueMoonset and Staticshakedown:I've corrected it to 1975 in the lead, also removed the non-tenured bit bececause it's a little ambiguous. I confirmed that Fruton (who is extremely precise about dates) says 1975 in the cited source, and that is also the date given in this. I also removed the bit that says "non-tenured" in the lead, for now, because it needs a bit more explanation of the details (which I'm not going to do in the article right now). She actually got tenure as an associate professor in 1959, but was denied promotion in 1966 when she was first put up for it. I'm not sure when she was first appointed to a non-tenured professor position, though. Thanks for the careful attention to detail!--ragesoss (talk) 14:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg I added the ref to American Men & Women of Science that agrees with the 1975 date. This ref also states that she began as an instructor at Yale in 1945, so that concurs with the 30 year statement of the hook. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 13:54, 1 April 2014 (UTC)