Template:Did you know nominations/St. Charles Medical Center - Madras

St. Charles Medical Center – Madras

 * ... that St. Charles Medical Center – Madras is the only hospital in Jefferson County, Oregon?
 * Reviewed: Elizabeth Beauchamp, Countess of Warwick Aboutmovies (talk) 07:47, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nominated at 04:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC).


 * There seems to be inconsistency in the dash usage of these type of pages. St. Charles Medical Center – Redmond uses a different dash than St. Charles Medical Center - Madras. Which is correct? Crowz  RSA  18:00, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there not a better name for the section "Details"? Perhaps "Facilities" or something lke that. Crowz  RSA  18:00, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What verifies that there are 36 beds? Crowz  RSA  18:20, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think the dash usage matters as to the DYK nom, but yes, in time we should probably figure out a standard naming convention for those two and the Bend hospital. As to the section title, if you can think of one, great, but facilities would not really work, as it is basically a combination of what could be facilities, services, and statistics sections. But there is not enough for each to have their own section. It also matches my recent DYK noms for this, this, and this hospital. Lastly, as to the 36 beds, it is ref #6 (keep in mind the hospital's name in 2012 was Mountain View Hospital). Aboutmovies (talk) 19:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Aboutmovies moved the article to use the correct dash, and I've updated the nomination accordingly. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  22:01, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. However, the hook is a little dry. Maybe Jefferson County doesn't need such a big hospital? I suggest something like:
 * ALT1: ... that St. Charles Medical Center – Madras, the only hospital in Jefferson County, Oregon, is licensed for 36 beds but uses only 25 of them? Yoninah (talk) 23:40, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is anything seriously wrong with the first hook. Can't remember precisely, but I commented on a similar hook not long ago about another American hospital running at under capacity. It seems that is quite common in the States. I reckon it might be the policy of the USDH to open hospitals and defines their "authorized capacity" according to population per thousand, and then hospitals equip themselves with beds only as and when they need them. I don't know what became of the article. It might make the policy in itself interesting, but anyone who may have seen that DYK wouldn't think this one was  at all "interesting". --  Ohc  ¡digame! 02:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Ohc, yes you did make the same comment about a month or so ago, which is why that type of hook did not run then, so there is no danger of a repeat. I would prefer the alt hook for the same reasons I stated when you raised it last time. This is especially true where clearly at least one other editor agrees it is interesting. Again, it may be common, but I do not think it is common knowledge. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Ohc, do you really think anyone other than an Oregonian is going to click on the first hook? Re the alt hook: this may be well-known to Americans, but for people like me living outside the US, it's not common knowledge at all and I would click on it. Yoninah (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * maybe I'm just thinking too much. But the original hook sort of implies that Jefferson is big enough more than one hospital but only has one, which is interesting. The alt is, I agree, more of a tease. --  Ohc  ¡digame! 15:55, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As I am not allowed to approve my own hook (ALT1), calling for another reviewer. Yoninah (talk) 20:51, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg My problem with ALT1 is that the 36 licensed beds rests on a spreadsheet source that is only good for Mountain View Hospital (the predecessor name) in 2012. The licensing is likely to have changed once the St. Charles system took over the hospital; furthermore, the number was 36 for half of 2012 and 31 for the other half (31 during March through August). I honestly don't think any definitive statement can be made about the the number of licensed beds for St. Charles Medical Center – Madras given the sourcing available, and suggest that without a post-merger number the info shouldn't be included in the article or made the basis for a hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Besides this getting a bit ridiculous, I've updated the ref to show that despite the name change (seriously that really doesn't do much when a hospital joins a network based on the dozen or so hospital articles I've done) it is still operating with 25 beds and licensed for 36. Seriously, it has taken so long on this that the new source for 2013 became available, and we are not even talking about a particularly controversial topic here. I could understand if we were saying the hospital was the busiest in the world and it would be prudent to have a really recent source, but we are talking about the number of beds at a small hospital in a small town, and the article was accurate as of when it was published, which has no connection to any other topic in the world - as in no comparisons that will piss people off if in fact their hospital was the busiest in the world. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Ready for new reviewer. Yoninah (talk) 15:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. It is well referenced, no close paraphrasing detected and QPQ done. I accept the hook in good faith because the 2013 spreadsheet - the source for the 36 licensed beds - is not available on my computer. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Does that mean you're approving ALT1? Yoninah (talk) 13:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I intended to approve ALT1. I have now struck the original hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)