Template:Did you know nominations/Stop Child Abuse


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:07, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Stop Child Abuse

 * ... that everybody can help solve cases of child abuse by identifying items from child porn footage on Stop Child Abuse?

Created/expanded by Kmwebber (talk). Nominated by Lisa vom Land (talk) at 10:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg This article needs to be expanded (currently about 1100 characters). In addition, the hook should be a verifiable fact about the program such as "...that Stop Child Abuse - Trace an Object has helped to solve X number of child abuse cases since its formation" (with a reliable source).  Currently it reads as an advertisement, which is not what Did You Know is meant for (though this is probably a good cause!).  Please consider reevaluating and updating the article.  Malinaccier  ( talk ) 03:38, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * It looks like the nominator, Lisa vom Land, did not actually contribute to the article (which is perfectly fine at DYK); the primary author was Kmwebber, and Markworthen edited it at Articles for Creation. Right now, the article is at 1198 prose characters and needs to be expanded to a minimum of 1500 prose characters in order to qualify for DYK's size requirements. If there is no one willing to expand the article and come up with a suitable hook, then this will not be able to proceed. If anyone is willing to work further on the article and/or this nomination, please let us know soon. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I am flattered I suppose that someone nominated this for a DYK but for the time being the program itself is so new that there is not a lot (if any) reliable data about these sorts of things. I hope that it does not read like an advertisement too much, as that was not my intention, but I do not intend at this time to expand the article to appropriate length. All the best to you, I know everyone that works at the DYK section works very diligently and I appreciate that. Kmwebber (talk) 18:34, 24 July 2017 (UTC)Kmwebber


 * I added a little more information and a couple of references. I also wrote to Europol to see if they would want to attach a free license to one or more of their images so we can add a relevant image to the article (it might help them get the word out too if it's easy for media outlets to use such images). I asked a question about my request to Europol on Wikimedia Commons, Village Pump.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD   (talk)  05:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I hope everybody is aware that showing this on wikipedia's mainpage could make a real difference for crime victimes in the real world. You have a powerful tool as thousands of people might get involved. -- Lisa vom Land (talk) 21:38, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Any word from Europol on images? I'm not sure how copyright works in the relevant jurisdiction(s), but I doubt that Europol technically would have the right to grant a license; I think that if child pornography is copyrightable, the copyright rights would lie with the person who took the video, and if it is not copyrightable, then the images in question would already be in the public domain. Having looked at a law review article, child pornography is actually technically copyrightable in the US (although for obvious reasons nobody has actually attempted to register such work).
 * With that said, even if the people who took the videos from which the Europol images were taken could copyright those works, I can't think a better case to run a copyright-ambiguous image on the main page. The "use" compared to the full work is minuscule; there's about a 0% chance that the photographer would come out of the woodwork to protest; and even if the photographer did so, we'd all be better off for it. Pinging for any thoughts. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:39, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia not a campaigning organization. By the DYK rules, any image appearing on DYK would have to be included in the article and I doubt whether the sort of image you are advocating would be suitable. However, the article is now long enough and there is no reason why it can't proceed through the DYK process in the normal way. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:20, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New full review needed now that article is long enough. Please be sure to check for neutrality in the revised and expanded article, given comments by earlier reviewer. Have added a DYKmake credit for Markworthen, since without his expansion this would not have qualified for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:31, 25 August 2017 (UTC)


 * fyi: First success: A hotel room on the Maldives could be identified through the programme according to this Dutch news organisation . The article links to this twitter-feed by Europol Reading the feed someone could identify this hotel .  -- Lisa vom Land (talk) 19:55, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Long enough and new enough at nomination, Earwig detects no coyvios, QPQ not needed. Sources are reliable and properly cited.  The article as written has a neutral tone and does not appear to be a call to action, but the same external link to the site appears three times in the text, which seems promotional.  I'd recommend instead using Template:Infobox website to place the link in a visible location.
 * The proposed hook does sound promotional. I agree with User:Malinaccier's initial comments that a hook based on a verifiable fact would be better.  If the recent news about the program's first success were added to the article, it would make a good hook fact.  Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 00:16, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Added a line about the identification. Suggest:


 * ALT1: ... that Europol uses a crowdsourced website to help identify items and locations used in child porn?
 * ALT2: ... that Europol was able to identify a hotel used in child porn using Twitter and a crowdsourced website? --Usernameunique (talk) 00:55, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Approved for ALT1 and ALT2. I prefer ALT2. New enough when nominated, long enough, neutral, sourced, earwig shows no copyvio (5.7%), both hooks are interesting (I used Google Translate to verify the ALT2 source). Thanks to for the alternate hooks. --MopTop (talk) 17:39, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but note that many citations need better formatting to indicate at least the date of publication, if not the authors' names. Footnotes 2, 9, and 13 have no date or publisher at all. I added a "citation needed" tag to the last sentence, per Rule D2. I moved the page to its official name, Stop Child Abuse – Trace an Object, and adjusted the hook links and DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Issues are dealt with, although I see nothing that says references must "indicate at least the date of publication" to be DYK eligible. Rule D3 prohibits "bare URLs". Even the link under that rule that says "Sources should be properly labelled" speaks only to bare URLs, and only in the context of prohibiting them when the nominator has "at least half a dozen DYKs." --Usernameunique (talk) 22:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)