Template:Did you know nominations/Ted Andrews

Ted Andrews

 * ... that early in his career, Ted Andrews started an ESP club exploring extrasensory perception at the school where he taught?
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 * Comment: Article is newly recreated, completely rewritten, after a November 2009 deletion.

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nominated at 15:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC).


 * It's not immediately clear what ESP is, especially since the ESP article is a disambiguation page. CaseyPenk (talk) 17:51, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, I explained the term with a link to Extrasensory perception. Does that cover it? Binksternet (talk) 18:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Great addition, and really clears it up. But I don't think ESP needs to be mentioned twice in the hook. How about, "started a club to explore extrasensory perception" or "started an extrasensory perception club"? The other problem, though, is that I don't think Harmony Channel is a reliable source. The Wikipedia article on Harmony Channel is unsourced. CaseyPenk (talk) 19:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I don't think I can defend the interview source as quickly as I can propose another hook. Let's see how this second version works, cited to a scholarly journal which discusses Andrews and his most famous book. Binksternet (talk) 20:51, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ... that Ted Andrews` best-selling book Animal Speak aims to help the reader learn how "to listen with animal ears and to see through animal eyes"?
 * Thanks for pinging me! This one is pretty interesting so I think it has potential. It does seem like PR though, so I'd avoid using a word like "best-selling." Perhaps you can just cut out that word altogether.
 * Setting aside the question of how the word is perceived (i.e. it seems like marketing), I'm not even sure if best-selling is an accurate description. Yes, it's best-selling for a New Age book, but who said it's best-selling in a general sense (e.g. The New York Times Bestsellers list)?
 * If you want to make the narrower case that this book sold well relative to other New Age books that's certainly an option. It might be more straightforward to simply avoid the topic of sales altogether.
 * CaseyPenk (talk) 22:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no trouble removing "bestselling" as a description of the book, since the book's sales are numerically listed, and anyone can see that the book was a big success for Andrews. Binksternet (talk) 23:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good sans the bestselling. Thus:
 * ALT1a: ... that Ted Andrews` book Animal Speak aims to help the reader learn how "to listen with animal ears and to see through animal eyes"?
 * This is good to go. CaseyPenk (talk) 16:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Now that a hook (labeled ALT1a) has been settled upon, article needs a full DYK review. (I've struck the other hooks to avoid confusion.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Everything checks out. Minor tweaks made, and a more major one, that Bink will hate me for: I trimmed the bibliography. Pass it on. Drmies (talk) 00:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)