Template:Did you know nominations/The 1949 Sun Bowl Controversy, David Showell


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 08:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

1949 Sun Bowl controversy, David Showell

 * ... that the Sun Bowl Committee's decision to exclude David Showell from playing in the 1949 Sun Bowl (Sun Bowl Stadium pictured) based on his race led to demonstrations against segregation at Lafayette College?

Created by Jaironerao (talk), Alant1337 (talk), Kmgarb8 (talk), and Dodger67 (talk). Nominated by I am One of Many (talk) at 23:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC).


 * I don't think I should be credited for this, all I did was to review the AfC submission, approve it, do some minor cleanup and then I split out the David Showell biography. My contribution was minimal and basically just technicalities. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought about it and my view is that the article would not exist if you had not made that decision, so I thought you should be included as an author. I can remove you if you think that it is the right thing to do. --I am One of Many (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * After a brief discussion on my talk page I accept my inclusion with thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodger67 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review of both articles and the proposed hook needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Long enough, new enough, no copyvios found for either. No QPQ required as has only three DYK credits - you will need to provide QPQs for subsequent nominations. The hook is short enough only without the caption and sourced in The 1949 Sun Bowl Controversy. My moans with the articles are: The 1949 Sun Bowl Controversy does not have any sources and the hook needs to be sourced in David Showell. In either case, you can probably copy references over.--  Laun  chba  ller  07:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to note that the Showell article was split off as the final step of the move of the article from AfC to mainspace, so it is correct that it has been counted as a separate article rather than a true split from an existing mainspace article (which would need to be expanded 5x). Also, as this isn't self-nominated, no QPQ is required regardless. I've just made a few fixes to the Showell article, notably his date of death. The sourcing in this article is a bit odd (the Marina source was cited at the end of the final paragraph, but did not give the date of death, wife, UWisc Law School, or other similar later info); I've moved one source earlier and added another one later, but his marriage is not covered in either of the online sources, so I've added a "citation needed" template that will need taking care of when the hook sourcing is satisfied. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Have heard from the nominator, who is looking into finding additional sourcing, and plans to report back within the next week. Please don't close the nomination before then. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:19, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The hook text is ambiguous - the protest that happened at the college was against segregation in general, not segregation at the college. It should be changed to "....led to demonstrantions at Lafayette College against segregation." This would clarify that the college was the venue of the protest, not the "target". The cause of the controversy was the fact that the college was not segregated and refused to pander to segregation in the Sunbowl. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Per Dodger67, striking original hook and recasting as ALT1 to remove ambiguity as suggested:
 * ALT1: ... that the Sun Bowl Committee's decision to exclude David Showell from playing in the 1949 Sun Bowl (Sun Bowl Stadium pictured) based on his race led to demonstrations at Lafayette College against segregation?
 * However, if I am One of Many does not address the issues raised in this nomination, which is his or her responsibility as nominator, this is going to end up being closed as unsuccessful. I hope they are taken care of; it would be a shame for this to fail. —BlueMoonset (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it is ready to go. I wasn't able to get a hold of some sources, so I removed unsourced text and/or moved references between articles. Not much text had to be removed and it did not change the content.  The text removed looked like synthesis anyway.  From what sources I can read, the articles are accurate and I can find no copyright violations.  So, I think we can assume good faith and move forward. I am One of Many (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Launchballer, have your sourcing "moans" been taken care of? Please take a look, and also check the ALT1 hook (slightly different from the original one you reviewed), and anything else you might need to do to finish the review. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:33, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Half have, half haven't. I believe that the hook - which is short enough and sourced in one article - should be sourced in both articles. Otherwise good to go.-- Laun  chba  ller  11:14, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Launchballer, I'm guessing that your problem was with the Showell article, which now has a new phrase about the protests at Lafayette. If it was something else, please be more specific about which facts need to be added to which of the two articles. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I spotted the source in the second mentioning of the protests in the main body of the text (this is the first time I've seen it outside the lede). Good to go.-- Laun  chba  ller  13:18, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Launchballer, please supply the appropriate icon; the review isn't complete without it. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:26, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go.-- Laun  chba  ller  13:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)