Template:Did you know nominations/The Discovery of America


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The Discovery of America

 * ... that The Discovery of America (1781) was a popular children's book, with Christopher Columbus as a hero, and Hernán Cortés and Francisco Pizarro as antiheroes?

Created by Pie7 (talk). Nominated by Spinster (talk) at 18:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg The hook is cited and interesting. The article itself is well-cited and well-written. Sources in German I am ready to AGF. The image seems fine. However, I'm confused by the article history. As far as I can see, it was first a bio about Campe himself, then turned into an article about his book? See this edit. If it first was a bio article about Campe, which was then transformed into an article about this book, I'm not sure how to handle it. It's not a 5x expansion of the above cited edit, it's less, but then again, if it at the time in essence was a different article, I'm not sure it should even count as a 5x expansion. I'd be happy if the nominator or author could help me understand what happened here. Yakikaki (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The article was moved on 4 July from the sandbox of my student Pie7 to the Draft namespace as an Articles for Creation submission. The whole history of her sandbox is still visible, that's what makes this confusing: in her sandbox, she worked on an article about Campe first, then deleted that and started on this specific book's article on July 2. It was accepted on July 4, see the article's history. I hope this clarifies a bit :-) Spinster (talk) 19:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Aha, OK! Sorry, I didn't see that! Then I am basically satisfied (very satisfied, even, great article!). There's only one additional detail I discovered, and that's that the fact that it's a children's book, which is part of the hook, lacks a direct citation. Otherwise excellent. Thanks for the quick answer, too. Yakikaki (talk) 20:00, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The first paragraph of the article mentions the full original title of the book, Die Entdeckung von Amerika - ein angenehmes und nützliches Lesebuch für Kinder und junge Leute, which means The Discovery of America - a pleasant and useful reading book for children and young people. Would that be sufficient? Or do we need a footnote to a reliable external source in addition? Spinster (talk) 21:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * A citation from a third-party source would be good. I'm being very formalistic, I know, but it's better to make sure it fulfils all the DYK criteria now rather than having it removed from the queue by some eagle-eyed administrator ;) Yakikaki (talk) 21:25, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added a citation saying that Campe "set the standard for German children's literature." Would you say that is sufficient? Pie7 (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder why the cover says: Kolumbus oder die Entdekkung von Westindien" while both German and English titles given have no Columbus, and "Westindien" was rather freely translated to America. I suggest to give the German title correctly at least once, and explain the difference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I can see the confusion. The cover included here belongs to the 1782-88 edition which is an unauthorised reprint of the trilogy. That might be the reason why the title varies; I used it because that particular edition was part of our project (GLAM/Expeditions/Maastricht University) and had pages scanned. I can substitute it for a cover of the first edition that gives the original title, as in the article. Pie7 (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That helps, but should probably be explained in the article, especially since the Commons category also has that title. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have replaced the cover image in the article itself, have updated the image captions and have improved the descriptions of the uploads on Wikimedia Commons. Spinster (talk) 12:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

EEng (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT1... that the popular children's book The Discovery of America (1781) portrayed Christopher Columbus as a hero, and Hernán Cortés and Francisco Pizarro as antiheroes?
 * Symbol voting keep.svg As both mine and Gerda Arendt's questions have been addressed, it should now be good to go. Offline and German sourced AGF. Why the ALT1 hook? Since it contains the exact same info as the original, it should also be good to go though. Yakikaki (talk) 14:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you know... that there's more to a good hook, than the information transmitted, such as rhythm and also smoothness of reading?
 * EEng (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)