Template:Did you know nominations/The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook

 * ... that The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook (1975) is credited with introducing America to cooking with tofu? Source: "The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook...introduced America to cooking with tofu"  here
 * ALT1: ... that The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook (1975) contained the first tempeh recipes published in any language? Source: "including the first tempeh recipes to be published in any language" here
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein

Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:39, 8 March 2019 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg. Clear, no copyvio issues, hook in article and sources, character count >1500, QPQ done, references good, not stub. I like the proposed hook. Whispyhistory (talk) 07:29, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing, ! --valereee (talk) 11:49, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:ERRORS discussion, re-opening this for new sourcing. — Maile (talk) 20:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey,, this DYK needs a new hook. Are you still up for helping? valereee (talk) 20:51, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course..I'll reread and have a think. I didn't understand why the proposed hook is not okay. It is interesting that it gives instructions on how to make macaroni cheese without cheese (maybe).Whispyhistory (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It was the sourcing, not the hook. The source said the tempeh recipes were the earliest published, but another editor found a Dutch cookbook from much earlier. valereee (talk) 21:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks...Can we still use the proposed hook? Whispyhistory (talk) 21:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , the original tofu hook was considered too strong a statement, I'm qualifying it below --valereee (talk) 21:52, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ALT2 ... that Vegetarian Times credits The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook with introducing America to cooking with tofu? Source: Vegetarian Times "introduced America to cooking with tofu" here p33 --valereee (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * A hook like ALT2 will be yanked. The Vegetarian Times has published erroneous comments. Tofu has been eaten in America since the first Asians set foot on the continent, at least 200 years. Every Asian restaurant has always used tofu.  ALT0 is unworkable with any sourcing.  RE ALT1,  Please see Fram's comments. He's listed earlier books, including one that was published in 1872.  — Maile  (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , no worries, we'll keep working valereee (talk) 21:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * how about one on Mac and cheese? Whispyhistory (talk) 22:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It depends on how you word the hook. I would stay away from mentioning the Vegetarian Journal in the hook, or using it as a source.  I'm having doubts about its accuracy.  I see a sentence where the journal calls the book a "famous" cheese alternative cookbook.  Unless the journal has backed that up with other sourcing, "famous" is just their writer's opinion.  I left a message at WT:DYK hoping someone can help you with a new hook. — Maile  (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ALT3 that The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook (1975) has been described as a staple in American vegetarian kitchens? (ref 6) Philafrenzy (talk) 08:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you . ALT3 is in article and source (Vegetarian journal). Not sure if this helps; I found this book The Farm Then and Now: A Model for Sustainable Living. It may have a potential hook. Maybe could consider this source for the article. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:28, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * , thank you! That's a great source! Honestly, one of the biggest values of DYK is that half the times I bring an article here, someone find a source I didn't find! --valereee (talk) 09:42, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

I found another source (a recent academic publication) and have added info from it that supports 's ALT3. From Magic Bean:The Rise of Soy in America: "which became a staple, along with The Tassajara Bread Book and Diet for a Small Planet, on the shelves of vegetarians and natural foods enthusiasts." at page 461 (this is a link to the dissertation; I have requested the book via interlibrary loan, will put the book's page number into the article once I have that.) --valereee (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks ......Can you see a better hook in the book that talks of UNICEF? Whispyhistory (talk) 06:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The article would have to be expanded first but the Stevenson book explains that UNICEF examined the diet of the farm members and determined that it had sufficient protein but lacked carbs and fats and that the cookbook was a collation of the revised diet of the farm workers. There is a revised hook based on that but it may be a bit wordy and not necessarily better than Alt 3. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks......Can you work on that information? Whispyhistory (talk) 09:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , will do! --valereee (talk) 10:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * ALT4 ... that a visit from UNICEF resulted in the development of The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook? < Source: here pp92-93 "caught the attention of members of UNICEF interested in dietary studies...nutritionists were dispatched...at the recommendation of the nutrition experts...standard recipes were converted...recipes were collected and published in" the cookbook.
 * ALT4 is ok...just check in article...my understanding is that the recipes were written and then collated into the book rather than the book written specifically. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , I've reworded -- better? valereee (talk) 18:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * And I actually wonder if ALT4 might work for April Fool's Day? valereee (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's the moon, but this is the second nom in as many days suggested for AFD that has no hook listed that's even remotely AFD material. What in the world is tricky or misleading or punnish or chuckleworthy about any of these hooks? EEng 22:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC) P.S. I see the article refers to the existence of "good-tasting vegan recipes", and I suppose that idea could be an April Fools gag right there (emphasis on gag). I'm just being mean. Some of my best friends are vegans. They're all starving, of course.


 * , I thought 'that a visit from UNICEF resulted in the development of The Farm Vegetarian Cookbook?' was on point for AFD. valereee (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Look, one test for an AFD hook is that there's something about it that would make it ineligible to run on any other day; usually that "something" is that the hook misleads the reader in some way that becomes apparent only when the article is read. Examples:
 * ... that the US National Gallery of Art has a picture of Trump urinating?
 * ... that Obama was born in Japan?
 * Your hook completely lacks this quality. It might qualify for the last slot -- what we call the quirky slot -- of a regular set, or maybe just a regular spot in a regular set, but it's not AFD material. It's mildly interesting but not in any way a joke or a hoax. EEng 00:02, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , okay, sorry for the trouble. It was the UNICEF vs cookbook thing that made it feel that way to me, but maybe that relies too much on specific knowledge. I apologize for the extra work. valereee (talk) 00:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. we're all learning all the time. EEng 00:11, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg approving ALT3 and ALT4. Thank you . You worked hard here. Thank you too. Whispyhistory (talk) 03:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)