Template:Did you know nominations/The Global Dilemma: Guns or Butter


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The Global Dilemma: Guns or Butter

 * ... that Chris Crawford considers The Global Dilemma: Guns or Butter to be among the worst video games he created?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 16:00, 8 November 2016 (UTC).


 * New article, nominated on the day of creation, long enough, source, p. 270 has Crawford describing the game as "one of my poorest games, no question" which matches the hook and the in-line citation supported description in the body of the article. However, the lede says "Crawford ... considered it the worst game he released," and is unsupported.  No citations are required in the lede, but it should still be adjust to say "considered it one of the worst games" or "one of the poorest games," to match the source.
 * References in the article are limited in variety. Reference 9 is a bare url even if it is in a "cite web" template, and further details should be added.  There are no citations at all in the Gameplay section of five paragraphs, and that is not allowed under DYK rules which specify a minimum of one citation per paragraph.
 * An Earwig check picks up only direct quotations, so no copyvio issues. No close paraphrasing problems noted.  Content is neutral and policy compliant.
 * Hook is short enough, is not unduly negative in my view, being the designer's own opinion of his work, and sufficiently interesting.
 * has many more than five DYK credits, so a QPQ review is required and none is provided.
 * Overall review conclusion: Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ needed, referencing in The Global Dilemma: Guns or Butter needed, bare url, and tweak to lede required. EdChem (talk) 05:45, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed lede, cites are not needed in gameplay sections (rules of VG articles), and is a bare URL an issue? That seems outside the task of DYK, but these days of rule creep nothing surprises me any more. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * QPQ is Second Thoughts are Best. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there any decision on the cite issue? Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:28, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the lede. The bare url issue is covered by rule D3, but I'll fix it now if you haven't, it's really not a big issue.  Re the QPQ review, are you referring to Template:Did you know nominations/Second Thoughts are Best?  If so, I note that that review is open to criticism for not mentioning issues like copyvio, but as it has none (I checked) and is already been on the main page, I was going to accept it.  However, it has already been claimed for QPQ credit at Template:Did you know nominations/Shamus: Case II, so did you mean another review?  On the citation issue, I'm inclined towards the view that the position is unclear.  EdChem (talk) 23:19, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Well here are some to chose from: Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Ku Klux Klan in Canada
 * Born Hater
 * Bay State Raceway
 * Frederick Henry Rich


 * , I remember this being discussed at WT:DYK but I didn't realise that you had added citations, which I appreciate. Sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to finishing this.  Thanks to  for prompting me to come back to this.
 * Accepting Template:Did you know nominations/Ku Klux Klan in Canada for the QPQ credit.
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Everything else was already addressed, so this is ready. EdChem (talk) 22:36, 20 December 2016 (UTC)