Template:Did you know nominations/Timoclea


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:45, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Timoclea

 * ... that in 1572 Elizabeth I and her court saw a play about the rape victim Timoclea acted by London schoolboys? Source: Lost Plays Database, University of Melbourne, "Timoclea at the Siege of Thebes", Anon. (1574)
 * Reviewed: Sangeet Natak Akademi Fellowship

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Interesting detailed story, great hook, based on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed but not an ideal illustration of this particular hook, because it shows no scene on stage, and no Elizabethan art. - The lead somehow flows into a plot section without header, - can you make one, to have the TOC visible without scrolling? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The story is all we know about her, so belongs in the lead. The image shows one of the two dramatic moments of the story, which were presumably covered in the play, of whose plot we know nothing. Johnbod (talk) 04:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but do you see mine: I first saw a very short article, because the TOC wasn't on the first display. I could still imagine you have a story section and a summary of it in the lead, but your choice, of course. The image is nice but not ideal, also because it's not the victim shown, - that's all I wanted to tell someone who arranges preps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It is "the victim shown". Johnbod (talk) 10:05, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What I see - when clicking on it, because in stamp size I see nothing - is a victim thrown into a well, - the caption tells me that is revenge, but not the image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, if you want an image showing the rape, there aren't any. Johnbod (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * 6 of 7 hooks can't have an image, as you know, and you got several recently, Christmas and wares (so did I, one day even two of them), - why not leave one more chance to others? Ultimately, I don't decide that, but a prep builder, - I just left points to be considered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Many noms don't have images, as you know, but as my articles are all on art, they nearly all do, and very nice and carefully chosen images too. If you are concerned about the issue, you could consider not having images of only indirect relevance to the article on your own musical hooks maybe? Anyway, we should leave the matter to the prep builders. Johnbod (talk) 05:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but don't see anything about Elizabeth I watching the play in footnote 14. Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * "...promoting school drama with his boys, one of whom would have played the title role before the queen and her court." Performances at Hampton Court Palace were entirely about entertaining the queen. Johnbod (talk) 04:42, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - It was performed 2 February (Candlemas), so even if not mentioned in the hook, that be the day to go for, for readers who look at the sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks,, for not making me feel silly that I looked for "Elizabeth" in the document. Restoring approval tick from Gerda, and moving this to February 2 holding area. Yoninah (talk) 15:11, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both - I hadn't noticed the date! As the hook is short, maybe:
 * ALT1 ... that on this day in 1572 Elizabeth I and her court saw a play about the rape victim Timoclea acted by London schoolboys? (or just "today"). Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg fine with me. I had hoped for a TFA that day which won't happen, so was kind of extra sensitive. Comments welcome anytime. There's also a DYK nom for the day which still needs a review, look for Nunc dimittis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)