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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:12, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Tongo Tongo Ambush

 * ... that after an ISIL ambush in Niger which killed four American and four Nigerien soldiers, President Donald Trump’s phone call to one of the widows has created controversy?
 * ALT1:... that President Donald Trump's response to the deaths of four American soldiers in Tongo Tongo ambush in Niger has been compared to the Benghazi controversy? Wilson said, "This might wind up to be Mr. Trump's Benghazi."
 * Comment: Note: several other editors made improvements to the article. Please include them as authors if needed. Also, I'm not sure if we should include the image of the four American soldiers.
 * Comment: Note: several other editors made improvements to the article. Please include them as authors if needed. Also, I'm not sure if we should include the image of the four American soldiers.

Created by Volunteer Marek (talk), JayCoop (talk), and KConWiki (talk). Nominated by Volunteer Marek (talk) at 01:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Newly expanded article. No PoV or plagiarism detected. Text in the main body of article uses at least one inline citation per paragraph. Both the hook facts are present in the article and supported by reputed sources. I have checked the article's history and listing three editors for this nomination is fine. However, Volunteer Marek, since you have more than 5 DYK's to your credit a QPQ is needed. --Skr15081997 (talk) 08:25, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Reviewed Kimmie Taylor .  Volunteer Marek   08:58, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ has been provided. Good to go now. --Skr15081997 (talk) 10:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am very appreciative of the work that went into this article, and I consider my own contributions to be minor. I am pleased to see that it is being considered for front-page status as a DYK. That being said, I have a concern about the hook(s) (even though accurate and technically NPOV) being interpretable as being politically motivated. Full disclosure, I am very much a Trump opponent. But think of it this way - It seems like regarding this incident, most people already know that Trump's phone call to the Johnson family of Florida was controversial, and that is the primary piece of knowledge that they have, so it's not like the hook is giving some intriguing piece of information. What it would "hook" is Trump opponents looking to the article for validation, and Trump proponents looking at WP as having a bias against them (even if none was intended). So let me suggest we develop an alternate hook, perhaps having to do with how U.S. military forces ended up in Niger in the first place, or the OCHA statements about the other attacks in the region this year, or the burial of the four Nigerien soldiers, or perhaps something else, that will perhaps share with WP readers something that they did not already know. Thanks for considering this. KConWiki (talk) 18:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment KConWiki. I have a suggestion: Since you are one of the contributors you can propose some better hooks for this nomination. Regards, --Skr15081997 (talk) 06:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with alternative hooks, but should make the suggestion soon or we should go with the ones above.  Volunteer Marek   14:42, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I will give this some thought, but in the meantime let me ask this - Is it appropriate to use the term "ISIL" in the first hook given this excerpt from the article (bolding is mine)?

"'According to the United States Department of Defense, ISIL leaders in Syria have acknowledged Sahrawi's allegiance through their Amaq News Agency but ISGS 'has not been formally recognized as an official branch of ISIL'.[2]'"

Thanks KConWiki (talk) 12:37, 25 October 2017 (UTC)