Template:Did you know nominations/Trinity Carol Roll


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The result was: promoted by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Trinity Carol Roll



 * ... that the 15th-century Trinity Carol Roll is the earliest surviving example of polyphonic music written in English?
 * ALT1:...the 15th-century Trinity Carol Roll contains eleven medieval Christmas carols and the earliest copy of the Agincourt Carol (pictured)?

Created by Rob (talk). Self nominated at 13:47, 24 December 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough, but some close paraphrasing. --Jakob (talk)  17:54, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review . I think the relatively high paraphrase percentage on the tool appears to be because of the longish quotations in the "music" paragraph from the public domain Fuller Maitland book and the list of carols, which is an exact duplicate because of the middle English spelling (I could modernise them to modern English to prevent it from being exactly the same, but that may constitute original research?). But the Helen Deeming article has been used as a main source for the article, since it's the only available modern source which discusses the origins of the MS. Do you think it follows her article too closely? Rob (talk) 18:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I wasn't talking about quotes and the like so much as sections like "Trinity Carol Roll is a rare survivor of" and "with the phrase Deo gracias ('Thanks be to God'), a phrase spoken or sung at the close of many church services", both of which are copied (I assume accidentally) from the source. Actually if those two are fixed, the nomination could be passed. --Jakob (talk)  18:38, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I see what you mean. I've gone through using the tool and think I've reworded, removed or revised the instances that are very similar to the sources. I think both were probably redundant sentences anyway left over from editing. Rob (talk) 19:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg OK. AGFing a paywalled source. --Jakob (talk)  19:05, 24 December 2014 (UTC)