Template:Did you know nominations/Trussed Concrete Steel Company


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:54, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Trussed Concrete Steel Company, Truscon laboratories, Kahn System, Hy-Rib, Julius Kahn (inventor), Albert Kahn Associates

 * ... that the first automobile factory built with reinforced concrete beams and other innovative reinforced concrete products was constructed by Julius Kahn's Trussed Concrete Steel Company and Truscon laboratories with Albert Kahn Associates (building pictured) as the architects?
 * Reviewed: Lady Jane (boutique) and Elsa Billgren and Sleepy Hollow Country Club and Raouf Bundhun and Blek and Caesar's Camp, Rushmoor and Waverley

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nominated at 12:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg articles new enough or/and expanded. qpq done. hook checks out. references checks out. inline citation checked. And might I say so, really good work by user Doug Coldwell with the creation and expansion of these articles. Good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hold it. The article says "It included the first use of reinforced concrete for industrial construction in Detroit". More care, please. EEng (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * See Kahn System article: The Kahn System of reinforced concrete is the first time an automobile factory was constructed and it was for Packard automobile factory plant building number 10 designed in 1903-05.


 * ==Notes==
 * [A] Thus Plant Number Ten represented a clear advance in factory construction for Packard and for the automobile industry in general, as it was the first automobile plant to be built of reinforced concrete.[13] (Hildebrand, page 31) Hildebrand book (1974) " Designing for industry: the architecture of Albert Kahn." The MIT Press. ISBN 978-0-262-08054-5.
 * [B] The Packard #10 building was the first to utilize reinforced concrete with Julius Kahn’s Kahn Bar but also as previously discussed, the full range of steel building products from the Trussed Concrete Steel Company.[4] (University of Michigan reference)
 * See also inline reference [15]: Nelson 1939, p. 10 The first reinforced concrete factory in the country, designed by Albert Kahn, made its appearance in 1903.
 * --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "in Detroit" ... "in the country" ... this isn't what the hook says. And the sources need to be in this article. Can you figure out what the actual claim should be, and make sure it's sourced in the article? EEng (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, what's the hook, and which article is it sourced in? EEng (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Summary of the hook is  that the first automobile factory in the United States built with reinforced concrete ... was constructed by Julius Kahn's Trussed Concrete Steel Company and Laboratories with Albert Kahn Associates as the architects. It's sourced in Trussed Concrete Steel Company.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see. You changed the original hook "in place". Please don't do that once there's been significant discussion of the hook, because it makes it impossible for anyone to understand the discussion. I've transferred your revised hook here:
 * ALT1 ... that the first automobile factory in the United States built with reinforced concrete beams and other innovative reinforced concrete products was constructed by Julius Kahn Trussed Concrete Steel Company and Truscon laboratories with Albert Kahn Associates (their building pictured) as the architects?

OK, now I'd like to make a suggestion. I see in Trussed Concrete Steel Company that the Kahn system got a boost from the fact the buildings using it survived various earthquakes and even volcanoes. I think that would make a much more interesting hook, if you don't mind my saying. What do you think? I'll put one together if you're interested, though I'm a little intimidated by the fact so many articles are involved. Another thought might be to split this nom into two or three separate ones with separate hooks. EEng (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2014 (UTC) *ALT2 ... that the first automobile factory in the United States (pictured) built with reinforced concrete beams and other innovative reinforced concrete products was constructed by Julius Kahn Trussed Concrete Steel Company and Truscon laboratories with Albert Kahn Associates as the architects?
 * Would like to go with the 6 articles intact, as the architectural design in factories in general was revolutionized from old mill construction. All the items and people in the 6 articles played a significant role and tie together (compliment each other) in this new reinforced concrete concept used to construct the first reinforced concrete automobile factory. It is the reason it's called the Kahn System of construction, using Trussed Concrete Steel Company products.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Packard Automotive Plant article has been updated accordingly with references to match the hook.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:51, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Slight tightening: Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 19:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT3 ... that the first automobile factory in the United States built with reinforced concrete beams and encasements (pictured) was constructed by Julius Kahn Trussed Concrete Steel Company and its Truscon Laboratories, with Albert Kahn Associates as the architects?
 * I love ALT3! Thanks Antony for the suggestion. I hope we can go with this one.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT hooks need reviewing (ALT3 seems to be the preferred one, so if it's golden then may as well strike the others); these are six-article hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)


 * ALT3 is the preferred hook. The original has long ago been eliminated (strike through) by User:EEng. Since I submitted ALT1 & ALT2 and wish to withdraw them because they no longer apply, then I felt it appropriate to stike my ALTs to leave just ALT3 by User:Antony-22.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The references for the hook can be found in the appropriate articles:
 * reinforced concrete beams - The Kahn System of reinforced concrete is the first time an automobile factory was constructed and it was for Packard automobile factory plant building number 10 designed in 1903–05.[13][14][15][16]
 * encasements - Hy-Rib is a steel encasement stiffened by rigid ribs used in reinforced walls, ceilings, and floors.[2]
 * Julius Kahn - Kahn then formed his own company called Trussed Concrete Steel Company. He become its president, however spent much of his time in the designing room.[4][17]
 * Trussed Concrete Steel Company - The Trussed Concrete Steel Company was a company founded by Julius Kahn, an engineer and inventor.[1]
 * Truscon Laboratories - Truscon Laboratories was a research and development chemical laboratory of the Trussed Concrete Steel Company ("Truscon") of Detroit, Michigan.[1]
 * Albert Kahn Associates - Albert's younger brother Julius as the key architect and engineer, constructed building number 10 with the Kahn bar and other reinforced concrete products manufactured at the Trussed Concrete Steel Company (aka "Truscon") which provided 32-foot (9.8 m) spans.[11][14] --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg - ALT3 seems sufficient. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:49, 11 September 2014 (UTC)