Template:Did you know nominations/Tvrtko I of Bosnia


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Tvrtko I of Bosnia

 * ... that the first King of Bosnia, Tvrtko I, maintained cordial relations with all three churches in his realm - Bosnian, Catholic and Orthodox? Source: "Like his predecessors, he tolerated all the local faiths." (Fine 1994, page 370)
 * ALT1: ... that King Tvrtko I of Bosnia wrote to European rulers of his triumph over the Ottoman Turks at the Battle of Kosovo, but in reality lost all hope to rule Serbia? Source: "У том смислу је Твртко слао писма хришћанским државама јављајући радосну вест о своме великом тријумфу. [...] Иза фиктивног краљевог тријумфа на Косову стајао је, у ствари, суморни завршетак његове политике према српским земљама и његове улоге наследника Немањића." (Ćirković 1964, page 160)
 * Reviewed: Nicarao people

Improved to Good Article status by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 12:26, 2 August 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Substantial article on good sources, all offline and Serbo-Croatian, so AGF. - Consider to drop Roman from Catholic Church, or link to a historic section/article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * According to John Van Antwerp Fine, Jr., Bosnian Church was essentially Catholic too, just not recognizing papal supremacy. I felt "Roman Catholic" would be more precise in the article, but simply "Catholic" works in the hook. Surtsicna (talk) 13:00, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but do not see a cite in the article for the fact that he was the first king of Bosnia. Also, the article does not specifically mention his cordial relations with Catholicism; it just says, his tolerance of all local faiths. Yoninah (talk) 13:51, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noting that. I took care of the second issue. Tvrtko's journey from ruling as ban to coronation as the first king, however, is explained throughout the article. There are plenty of citations confirming that his predecessors were bans, that he started out as ban, and that he eventually proclaimed himself king. To explicitly describe him as the first king anywhere in the article body would compromise its fluidity, so I would rather remove the qualification from the hook (although that would reduce its "hookiness"). Surtsicna (talk) 12:13, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking care of the second point. Regarding the first, can't you slip in the word "first" somewhere in a sourced statement? Doesn't the source for this say he was the first king?: Tvrtko's coronation as King of Bosnia and Serbia was held in the fall of 1377 (probably 26 October, the feast day of Saint Demetrius), but there is no consensus as to where it took place. Yoninah (talk) 10:36, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I just added a provisional citation in the lead sentence. I hope that suffices. Surtsicna (talk) 15:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you very much. Hook ref for "first king" verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Gerda Arendt. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)