Template:Did you know nominations/Una Ryan


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The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Una Ryan, Una M. Ryan

 * ... that Una Ryan studied zoology and researches viral and bacterial diseases affecting humans but Una Ryan studied zoology and researches infectious parasites of animals?
 * ALT1 ... that Una Ryan and Una Ryan both emigrated from their countries, study infectious disease and were honored with the Order of the British Empire and Prime Minister's Prizes for Science, respectively?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anne Elstner and Template:Did you know nominations/Yarmouth Castle
 * Comment: Created for Women in Red Women in Science virtual editathon

Created by SusunW (talk). Self-nominated at 15:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Both articles are large enough, referenced throughout, neutral, created in the last 5 days and so new enough. 2 QPQ's done. I think the hooks are being a bit tricky in not having "Una M. Ryan" visible. But I will check if that is normal or not for her name before rejecting on that basis. Hook alt 1 just scrapes by with about 200 characters, but the original hook is short enough. Hook facts for Una Ryan in article referenced, and confirmed. However facts for Una M. Ryan are only partial. We cannot see that she studied biology, or that she received a Prime Minister's Prizes for Science in the article. I think I know that Frank Fenner Prize for Life Scientist of the Year might be one of those prizes, but I suspect that 99% of readers will not, and I am not that confident. So please fix up the article to clarify. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The "M" is there because that is how I had to distinguish them. When I was researching one, I kept running in to the other. So it isn't tricky at all, just their normal use of their names. She is a biochemist, a biologist who studies body chemistry. You are correct, I had it in the lede, but not in the body. It is corrected now, but I am confused about the part of the Fenner Prize. Both in the lede and body the file says "the Frank Fenner Prize for Life Scientist of the Year from the Prime Minister of Australia." SusunW (talk) 13:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just because the Prime Minister of Australia awards the prize does not make it automatically the Prime Minister's Prizes for Science, so I think that article should make that clear, otherwise the hook is not supported. Though I will check the biology update. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm still not sure what you are asking for. If you look at the link you have cited, it clearly shows the Fenner Prize. This link shows the Fenner Prize is one of the Prime Minister's Prizes and is the Life Sciences Prize. The link on the file shows she received the "Minister's Prize for Achievement in the Life Sciences"  This link  shows the Life Sciences Prize is Given by the Prime Minister. I stuck all three links on her file, but is seems like overkill. It is cited on a page I did not create, it is cited in multiple links. I do not understand why are you suggesting that the Fenner Prize is not an award of the PM? SusunW (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * what I am saying is that the article has to be clear that the Fenner award is part of the Prime Minister's Prizes for Science. It is not, so the hook is not supported.  Also biology is not the same thing as biochemistry so the other hook is not confirmed either.  Perhaps the hook can change biology to biochemistry, or there can be a sourced addition to the article to say that Ryan studied biology. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * She is most definitely a biologist, as all of her writings state that. I was able to find a source which states specifically that her specialties in biology were zoology and parasitology, making it even more hooky. I also changed the wording in the body on the prize, which hopefully now meets your approval. SusunW (talk) 15:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Great. That fixes the problems.  The hooks are both now confirmed in the article by citation, and the facts check out. I perfer original hook.  But good to go with either hook. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)