Template:Did you know nominations/Visionary Fiction


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Article still needs a lot of work

Visionary fiction

 * ... that visionary fiction is a literary form that illustrates and demonstrates the process of growth in human consciousness?
 * Comment: Created February 14th in the draft namespace by Vicsmith0123, moved to mainspace on August 8
 * Comment: Created February 14th in the draft namespace by Vicsmith0123, moved to mainspace on August 8

Moved to mainspace by Chess (talk). Nominated by Chess (talk) at 23:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC).


 * I see some problems from the outset.
 * Hook not cited - We need a reliable secondary source that makes the same claim.
 * "The Wikipedia article, Inspirational fiction, mentions..." - Wikipedia should never be cited as a reference.
 * "Visionary Fiction Alliance" - Does this source meet WP:RS? It appears to be a blog. The same is true for the blogspot and wordpress sources...
 * "Hal Zina Bennett" - Sections like the one on Hal Zina Bennett rely much too heavily on primary sources. If we describe Bennett as a "Visionary Fiction pioneer" we need a more objective source than halzinabennett.com.
 * Footnote 17 - FN17 is malformed so that it gives a stray "<"
 * "To find Visionary Fiction listed in Amazon’s Categories" - It's not very encyclopedic to point out how to purchase things from Amazon unless the article is on the topic of Amazon or unless it's to illustrate a deeper point. See WP:NOTADVERTISING.
 * "On-line Presence" - This may be OK. I don't know the topic very well, but are these VF institutions recognized by reliable sources outside of the niche? In other words are the Visionary Fiction Alliance, the Coalition of Visionary Resources, Fiction for a New Age, etc. more like fan and indie author pages or are they recognized by established literary organizations with clout?
 * Symbol possible vote.svg On the whole the article is long enough and interesting enough, but the hook must be sourced and the whole thing needs work before it's ready to showcase on the frontpage. -Thibbs (talk) 20:47, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * OK I've repaired the footnote 17 issue, and I was hoping I could fix the citing Wikipedia issue as well by going to the page listed and snagging the sources listed there, but I can't find the source of the quote at any of the sources listed so the problem still stands. Anyway this needs a lot of work still. -Thibbs (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * and - This article still needs a bit of work before it is good to go for a DYK. I'm not sure if you noticed my review comments yet. Please see what you can do to find a reference for the hook, remove the circular reference to Wikipedia and the Amazon-specific info, and at least look over the RS issues. Thanks. -Thibbs (talk) 19:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops! Sorry I didn't get here sooner. I see now. I would withdraw the nomination. Grognard Chess (talk) Help:Getting rid of Media Viewer 19:34, 28 September 2014 (UTC)