Template:Did you know nominations/W. Barklie Henry


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

W. Barklie Henry

 * ... that W. Barklie Henry, Gertrude Conaway Vanderbilt's stepfather, won "many yachting races off the Long Island coast"?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ofir Ben Shitrit

Created by Zigzig20s (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 17 June 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Article is new and long enough, it is well-sourced, neutral, and free from copyright violations. The hook is interesting and relevant, the mention of Gertrude Conaway Vanderbilt adds a little "old money stardust" quality to it, and it is clear from other sources that Barklie Henry was an avid yachtsman, so I am AGF on the Newspapers.com source, which I can not access, is supporting the direct quote. Awaiting nom's QPQ review. Sam Sailor 11:21, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Drive-by comment: Why are these plain words in quotes? Yoninah (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Because it's a direct quote from the newspaper article.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Right. But these are everyday words. It looks strange to put them in quotes. Perhaps you could rephrase it slightly so you won't need quotes. Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Would you please consider rephrasing it? It is hard to do without close paraphrasing. That is why I used a direct quotation.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a free-access clipping of the newspaper source? Then I could work with it. Yoninah (talk) 21:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I mean, the relevant bit is, "Soon after her father's death her mother married again. Her stepfather won many yachting races off the Long Island coast."Zigzig20s (talk) 21:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Honestly? Per WP:LIMITED, you don't need quotes at all. Make it:
 * ALT0a: ... that W. Barklie Henry, Gertrude Conaway Vanderbilt's stepfather, won many yachting races held off the coast of Long Island? Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure. But we are essentially using the same words and not attributing them as a direct quote. Isn't that a problem? I may be overthinking copyright violation--is 1933 still under copyright? But it's up to you.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's WP:LIMITED, and it's fine. The nomination is still awaiting a QPQ review from you. Yoninah (talk) 23:25, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * QPQ done.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, QPQ done. I would finish this review, except the lead doesn't say anything about his notability. Was he one of the early yachtsmen of Philadelphia, or had some important position in a yacht club? Yoninah (talk) 20:02, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the lede and also added to the body of the text, "He was described by The Philadelphia Inquirer as "one of the most expert yachting sailors" in the United States." Do you think this should be added to the lede as well please?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you,, that's a good fact to add to the lead. I edited the lead for you. Yoninah (talk) 23:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I think ALT0a looks better, and the expansion in Special:Diff/846247704/846455534 is establishing notability in the lede. Barklie Henry served, as I added in Special:Diff/846071664/846234289, as rear commodore for the Corinthian Yacht Club of Philadelphia by 1901, less than a decade after the club was established, so yes, he was an early yachtie in Philly. Sam Sailor 22:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)