Template:Did you know nominations/W. Stanley Proctor


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

W. Stanley Proctor

 * ... that sculptor Sandy Proctor created a nine-foot bronze sculpture of Florida State University's head football coach Bobby Bowden?
 * Alt 1 ... that Sandy Proctor sculpted The Guardians, depicting two War in Afghanistan SEALs who inspired the film Lone Survivor. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 19:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)



Created/expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk), 7&#38;6&#61;thirteen (talk). Nominated by Doug Coldwell (talk) at 14:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC).


 * QPQ Done Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/June Krauser 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 15:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol delete vote.svg Sorry, the article must be expanded 5x or created in the previous 7 days.  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 20:13, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Exclusive of tables, references and wiki markup, the article was 182 characters when Doug started work on it. He took it to 3812 characters.  This is more than a 5X expansion. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 20:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * On August 13 the article was 898 characters when I started the expansion. The article was submitted to DYK on August 15, two days later. The size of the article is 4889 characters = 5.44 times, with age of 2 days.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:55, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Ah, the case is more simple than I thought. Okay, I ran DYK check on which has 883 characters of prose. Then I ran it on the current revision as of 21:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC) which is . It has 4394 characters of prose. 883*5=4415. Which means the article needs 21 more characters of prose. Cheers,   ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 21:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * article gains 21 more characters of prose.  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 21:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Was this nom really held up for 16 goddamn characters? EEng (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎</b>) 21:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Article is at 5x now. QPQ done, interesting hook, article cited. All good!  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 21:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I hate to bring this up at this late point, but can another experienced editor check WP:N against WP:ARTIST? To me it looks very weak, but I hope I'm wrong. If there's any question I think this nom better go on hold for a trip to AfD. EEng (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Added lots of citations. I am involved, but IMHO it is WP:Notable clearly. He is nationally a recognized 'go to' artist when heroic depictions are the object, particularly involving sports figures. e.g. . But feel free to get a third opinion.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 22:41, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I really do hope I'm wrong, but the problem is we need a source independent of him (i.e. not his website, not a gallery selling his work, not -- really -- a college president saying "The sculptor we selected for this statue of [person related to this school] is one of the greatest!") saying that. I don't see that. In fact, I've just now reviewed every source in the article and they're almost all exactly the same in their coverage of Proctor: "The sculpture is by Stanly Proctor, who has lots of experience with sports figures." And that's it. There's something you should consider very carefully. If notability is going to be a problem, even a potential one, it's best dealt with now. AfD discussions can be embarrassing for the subject, and it would be all the more embarrassing after a main-page appearance than before. So let's make sure first. Do any other editors think a trip to AfD is warranted? EEng (talk) 02:23, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well he definitely notable per WP:ARTIST. It states "The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." Tell me if I'm wrong but his works has (at least) became a significant monument his recieved multiple reviews. Cheers,  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 21:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Um, what reviews? (Please give names of authors, or article title, or url, but not ref# from the article since ref #s shift around as the article is edited.) EEng (talk) 23:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Temporarily on hold while article is at AfD, although it seems almost certain to be kept; approval can be restored once AfD has concluded (assuming article still exists). BlueMoonset (talk) 21:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg The AfD has concluded. Promoting to Prep 4. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Alt 1 ... W. Stanley Proctor sculpted The Guardians, depicting two War in Afghanistan SEALS who inspired the film Lone Survivor Am informed that User: Doug Coldwell approves, if it suits the reviewers and administrator's fancy. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 19:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)