Template:Did you know nominations/Wa (watercraft)


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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 13:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Wa (watercraft)

 * ... that wa (pictured), a traditional Caroline Islands outrigger canoe, are often sailed 150 miles across open ocean?
 * ALT1:... that wa (pictured), a traditional Caroline Islands outrigger canoe, may be sailed over long distances, paddled, or moved by punting?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/From Elvis in Memphis
 * ✅ - QPQ verified.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


 * ALT2: ... that wa (pictured), outrigger canoes of the Caroline Islands, were sailed distances of 4800 km by celestial navigation?


 * ALT3: ... that in 1788 a wa (pictured), arrived in Spanish Guam, stating they had always traded there but stopped after witnessing European cruelty?

Created by Pratyeka (talk), 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎). Nominated by 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC) at 13:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC).
 * Comment - Here is a crop of the article 1911 picture. Don't know if you can use that. Probably your prospects below will come up with a better picture. Is this picture one of those canoes?
 * Regarding the crop ... you've cropped out the bottom of the outrigger! A re-crop would be in order, so I'll upload one on top of your original. This one also differs in that it is based on the improved black and white conversion of the source image I just uploaded. prat (talk) 20:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Regarding the new image... Well found! Yes, it definitely appears to be a Palau-made wa. We can consider using that image though if we do it would be best to photoshop out the background and other model in the top right to a clear white. Would be great if someone else can do this and upload to commons as I'm very busy today (visiting Sydney Flying Squadron, a sailing club on Sydney harbour. I had hoped to raid the Australian National Maritime Museum library for a higher resolution copy of the lithograph, but just learned "The library is open to the public by appointment only from 10.00 am - 4.00 pm Monday to Wednesday (excluding public holidays)." ... fail. Maybe State Library of New South Wales has it? The plot thickens...). prat (talk) 19:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, we can't use it: Unfortunately it's also under a non-commercial license so we can't use it. prat (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Idea - Ask them to lower their license. The odds are in your favor they WILL!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems like a fine idea, unfortunately I can't see any way to contact them... perhaps because there isn't any, or perhaps because I don't have a Flickr account. prat (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Also and anyway, I'm not sure how accurate that model is .. it has rope out to the outrigger which I haven't seen on any photographs and its prows appear simplistic. This may have something to do with the apparently small scale and the suggestion that, allegedly unlike some of the other models such as the one held in the Australian National Maritime Museum, it wasn't built by actual traditional canoe builders in the local tradition but rather some fly-by-night outsider with correspondingly limited comprehension of the construction techniques and materials. prat (talk) 22:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Cann't comment on the boat, as this is outside my field. HOWEVER, concerning Flick: Yes, you have to get a Flickr account (free) = then use Flickr mail. I have discovered that about 70% lower their license accordingly IF you say you are going to us it for a Wikipedia article. A good way to get pictures to use for articles. I use the following wording, that has worked for me: I write articles for Wikipedia. Your picture of (name and link) is interesting and would fit into one or more of the articles I am presently writing on. There is at least one tag in use that makes your picture not usable on Wikipedia. Would you consider downgrading your copyright tags to ONLY "Attribution License" so I could use it on some Wikipedia articles. Do you have any other similar pictures? Thanks for your consideration. (sign). Just an idea you can use for the future.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:31, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Asked Pratyeka to designate picture choice. It is in progress. When I use Earwig's copyvio detector it returns a "97%" probabilty for this which may be true in that they copied from Wikipedia, not the other way around.  And they disclose the source.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The best images we have found are unavailable due to CC-NC licensing. I have asked Ravn (listed as a wikipedian photographer in Berlin) (no response yet) to go shoot them again since that's the location of the models. Hopefully this will solve the problem, otherwise we can try a copyright release process but I've done one of those recently and it was painful. prat (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As a backup, also asked Wribln (pointed out legal issues: working through) and Usteinhoff (no response yet) and SDKmac (no response yet) and Purodha (no response yet) and Jimengna (no response yet) and Jed (fail: not in Berlin right now) and Kurt Jansson (fail: no longer in Berlin) and LezFraniak (no response yet). Hopefully someone will respond. prat (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I posted some requests to various parts of German Wikipedia and we have a reluctant volunteer... estimated roughly early next week. prat (talk) 22:07, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wribln had a look in to this over the weekend and concluded that at least one of the German museums in question requires written signoff from the museum bureaucracy in order to publish photographs or recordings from inside the museum. This means we are possibly in for a long bureaucratic wait... and thus the whole idea of going to snap some quick shots is temporarily dead in the water. Perhaps we should go ahead with current images? prat (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

- Good To Go. New enough at 2 days, long enough at 7000 characters. Referenced properly. Did not detect any copyvio problems. Pictures copyright free. Original hook and ALTs check out as sourced. QPQ done.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment FYI, I did a QPQ. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎</b>) 16:10, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely - covered! BTW, really nice article. Somebody (experienced editors) put a lot of work into it.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we should wait for the picture. See talk for a (opinion) better picture, which unfortunately we can't use on the main page. But we have a volunteer waiting in the wings, and I have high hopes.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 22:17, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I pulled this from prep (sorry) because the article doesn't say the trips were commonly (or even up to) 4800km, rather that trips were take throughout the region, which is that long, or something. EEng (talk) 12:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Adding icon to prevent this from showing up as verified; striking ALT2 as it was problematic. Not sure why one of the other hooks wasn't substituted, but given the issues with ALT2, perhaps they should be rechecked just to be safe. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:24, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * : REVIEW COMPLETED - The following review was completed by Esemono 
 * Green check.svg QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/From Elvis in Memphis
 * Green check.svg Article created by Pratyeka on January 7, 2015 and has 7141 characters of readable prose
 * Green check.svg NPOV
 * Green check.svg ALT3 Hook is interesting, short enough and sourced with Ref4
 * Green check.svg Hook is sourced to: "In 1788, a canoe from Woleai arrived at Guam; the occupants told the Spanish that they had always been trading with Guam and had only discontinued their voyaging after witnessing the cruelty of the Europeans".
 * Green check.svg Every paragraph sourced
 * Green check.svg Earwig @ Toolserver Copyvio Detector found no copyvio
 * Green check.svg File:Image of Outrigger Watercraft in Marshall or Caroline Islands (Before 1911).png is Public Domain being first published in a 1911 textbook
 * Symbol confirmed.svg GTG -- Esemono (talk) 00:43, 27 February 2015 (UTC)