Template:Did you know nominations/Wallachian uprising (1821)


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:22, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Wallachian uprising (1821)

 * ... that in 1821 the Sublime Porte distinguished between Greek anti-Ottoman insurgents and their Wallachian allies (soldiers pictured), viewing the latter as supplicants for "pity and justice"? Iorga (1921), p. 287, citing Mahmud II's firman through Mihai Cioranu's translation: fiindcă țara României și Moldaviei, voind să păzească dreptatea clerului meu, au năzuit la puterea Împărăției Mele, [...] fiindcă după trecerea din viață a fostului Domn al României, Alexandru Suțu, un Tudor Vladimirescul, ardicându-se din norod, au adunat supt steagurile lui o mulțime de oameni înarmați, cari și aceștia au năzuit la puterea preaputernicei mele Împărății, cerând milă și dreptate la patimile și suferințele lor, nu mult după aceia s'au arătat și fiul acelui fugar Ipsilant și împreună cu el și acel ingrat Domn de acum al Moldaviei, Mihail Suțu, cari mai întăiu au călcat orașul Iași, împrăștiind în toată țara hârtii arătătoare de multe minciuni și neadevăruri, [...] am hotărât a curăți acele țeri de acești făcători de rele, cu rane și cu pedepse, [...] trimitem chiar din Anatolia și Rumelia credincioasele noastre oștiri, care au poruncă a nu se amesteca în alt decât numai în dărăpănarea și prăpădirea insurgenților și a reașeze obșteasca liniște și a despărți pe cei asupriți de asupritori; translates as: "because the countries of Romania [in this context: Wallachia] and Moldavia, wishing to defend the justice of my clergy, have appealed to the power of My Empire, [...] because once the old Prince of Romania, Alexander Soutzos, had passed on, a certain Tudor Vladimirescul, standing up for the people, brought together under his banners a multitude of armed folk, themselves appealed to my all-mighty Empire and its strength, demanding pity and justice for their plight and suffering, [and] not long after there emerged that son of an outcast, Ipsilant and together with him that ingrate of a Moldavian Prince, Michael Soutzos, who first took over the city of Iași, flooding the land with their mendacious and manipulative leaflets, [...] we have resolved to cleanse both countries of these wrongdoers, with torture and punishment, [...] will send in our faithful troops from from as far as Anatolia and Rumelia, with orders that they never intervene in any way other than to crush and exterminate the insurgents and to restore public order and to separate the exploited from exploiters".
 * ALT1:... that the first Romanian references to "patriotism" are traced back to documents issued by both sides of an armed uprising in 1821 (peasant soldiers pictured)? Bochmann, p. 107: Cele dintâi atestări ale conceptului de patriotism în română le găsim în publicațiile și cuvântările redactate în Valahia anului 1821, în anturajul conducătorului mișcării populare antifanariote Tudor Vladimirescu, precum și la adversarii lui. Probabil, este vorba de cele mai vechi documente transmise nouă despre o dezbatere politică publică din principate desfășurată (preponderent) în limba română.; translates as: "The first Romanian-language attestations of patriotism as a concept are found in the publications and speeches put out in 1821 Wallachia, in the entourage of Tudor Vladimirescu, leader of an anti-Phanariote popular movement, as well as among his adversaries. Presumably, these are the oldest documents available to us of a political debate in the [Danubian] principalities, one carried (overwhelmingly) in the Romanian language."
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 * Comment: Please consider holding this for the March 21 queue, which is the day of Vladimirescu's entry into Bucharest -- apparently, it is the Julian date, but anniversaries in modern Romania do not update it to the corresponding date, and also use March 21 (as here).
 * Also, my QPQ review may be considered iffy, since the article had been "reviewed" (poorly) by another editor, and I stepped in to point other issues. If that is the case, I will review another article. Dahn (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 22:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Substantial article, on excellent sources, Romanian and offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and an attractive illustration. I made a minor change to the article. - I like the ALT much better, as more to the point. You review is fine with me, also the date wish. - If Romanian people and terms with red links have articles in "ru" please connect by interlanguage link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, dear I would however rather leave the redlinks be, because the concept of linking to other articles in other languages strikes me as redundant (why have wikipedia in English at all, if readers are supposed to look up Romanian articles on rowiki etc.?), and also because the quality standard at rowiki is utterly incomprehensible -- the articles they have often carry not one single citation and are written like essays, advising the reader what to think about the subject (they're also often ungrammatical or ridiculously written). Also, it is unclear to me if those interlanguage links are removed automatically once an article is created, or if I have to remove them by hand when those articles are created. Setting new redundant chores for myself is not my cup of tea. Dahn (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Concerning your edit: I don't object to it, however I find it unusual, since that bit you duplicated the ref for was not in either hook I proposed. DYK only requires you duplicate refs for the hook, and that there should be at least one citation for each paragraph; otherwise, there are several bits of the article where the refs appears after several sentences, because it's quite clear that the citation would verify the preceding sentence(s) as well (and also because duplicating every re would double or treble the number of citations). There is no requirement to duplicate all references, but, if there were, we would presumably have to duplicate everywhere, right? Dahn (talk) 22:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry about duplicating to the wrong spot ;) - Interlanguage links turn blue when you create the article in English, and - yes - please only link to ru articles that are helpful to a reader. For me, it tells me that the person (or whatever) is notable in ru, - even if I can't read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * But surely the context in which they're mentioned in the article, and their mention in a reference work (or several), as indicated by the citation following their mention, already serve that purpose as well, do they not? Dahn (talk) 23:11, 13 February 2018 (UTC)