Template:Did you know nominations/We Plough the Fields and Scatter


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The result was: promoted by George Ho (talk) 20:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

We Plough the Fields and Scatter

 * ... that the harvest and Thanksgiving hymn, "We Plough the Fields and Scatter" has been parodied by John Betjeman as a protest against modern farming methods?


 * ALT1:... that the harvest and Thanksgiving hymn, "We Plough the Fields and Scatter" focuses on giving thanks to God for the harvest yet does not literally translate the original German lyrics?
 * Reviewed: Celtic Park (1888–92)
 * Comment: For Thanksgiving (26 November)

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg On November 3 article less quoted song lyrics was 2580 char. 11 January version was 489 chars less lyrics thus x 5 = 2445. Long enough. Nom on day of last expansion/new enough. Other than the lyrics, there do not appear to be copyvios (though I did detect 2 mirror articles created after this one on the web). Article is neutral. QPQ done. No image. 1st hook is 154 char/under maximum. Cited directly following. Source is offline, must be AGF. ALT1 hook is 184 char/under maximum. Cited directly following. Source is offline, must be AGF, but need clarification. Issues:
 * This sentence is uncited "The hymn was later published in Charles Bere's Garland of Songs and Children's Chorale Book." ✅
 * Not sure what the phrase "she did not translate it directly" means and the source is offline, so unable to determine what is meant. Are you saying she did not have a copy of his lyrics and had to translate from someone else's version (indirect) or are you saying she did not translate it literally? It is quite common to take artistic license, especially with poetry, but would be very unusual not to translate from the source document. Article prose needs to clarify. ✅ (Note: as creator corrected hook, intent is clearly literal. Article text not changed. I made the minor c/e).
 * Related to above comment, for ALT1 do you mean inaccurate or not literal? Two different things. Inaccurate means she didn't convey his message. Not literal means she took artistic license but kept his message. Ella tiene pelo rojo= Literally, she has red hair. Inaccurate would be she is a blond. Not literal would be she's a redhead. ✅
 * "Jane Montgomery Campbell; whom" should be "who" (not a DYK criteria to be grammatically correct). ✅
 * Lyrics are clearly a quote and should be marked as such and have a citation directly following them. Am unclear on Wikipedia MOS if they should be in block quote, but they cannot count in character count, thus block style seems logical and easiest way to quote the entirety. ✅
 * Last section "(verse 2, line 3), and the Lord's Prayer (verse 2, line 4)" is uncited. ✅SusunW (talk) 01:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the issues.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 09:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Once you clarified the hook, I could see that you did not mean directly, you meant literal, so I changed the text to reflect that. Minor c/e. AGF both hooks. GTG. Good luck with getting it on Thanksgiving! SusunW (talk) 13:21, 14 November 2015 (UTC)