Template:Did you know nominations/Woodworth Personal Data Sheet


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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:22, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Woodworth Personal Data Sheet

 * ...that the first personality test, the Woodworth Personal Data Sheet, was commission by the United States Army during World War I?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Simone Kues

Created by Antrocent (talk). Self nominated at 09:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC).


 * The apparent cite for the hook -- the Kaplan source -- doesn't say WPDS was the first personality test, rather the first "structured" personality test. I don't know what that means, but it's not what the hook says. Also, searching Kaplan for the word commission doesn't find anything about Woodworth being commissioned by the US Army. (I can believe it, but we need something actually saying so.) EEng (talk) 11:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added a new citation identifying the Woodworth as the "earliest personality instrument". I have modified the hook and replaced "commissioned" with "developed" which is supported by the Kaplan source. Antrocent (&#9835;&#9836;) 12:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT1 ...that the first personality test, the Woodworth Personal Data Sheet, was developed for the United States Army during World War I?
 * Also, perhaps an ALT HOOK giving its purpose may be more interesting:
 * ALT2 ...that the first personality test, the Woodworth Personal Data Sheet, was developed to screen recruits for shell shock risk during World War I?
 * Antrocent (&#9835;&#9836;) 12:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Great! And I like ALT2 -- I think people think PTSD is some phony modern thing, and good to show it goes way back (even to the Civil War, actually, just under other names). EEng (talk) 12:16, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

All fine, nothing abnormal at all. Length is just what you'd expect a normal article to be; it is within the standard newness parameters; references are mostly offline but that doesn't mean that they need further testing; responses to the QPQ are within the expected range. Hook for ALTs 1 & 2 isn't cited directly, but before you run off to fix that, there is a teeny problem with the ALTs in that the test was intended for what they state but it wasn't completed in time, so it was at least partially developed for another purpose. You could just change the "was developed to screen recruits for shell shock risk during World War I" in ALT2 to "was planned to be used during World War I to screen recruits for shell shock risk". Belle (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed for article and ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The citation for the hook is the citation given for the next sentence after it. As for the wording, I feel like developed is correct. It answers the question 'why did Wooworth make the test'? 'to screen recruits for shell shock risk'. That it never was used for this is not important. But, perhaps a compromise alt hook? Antrocent (&#9835;&#9836;) 21:11, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT3 ...that the first personality test, the Woodworth Personal Data Sheet, was developed with the intention of screening recruits for shell shock risk during World War I?

DYK rules say the citation must follow the cited fact immediately. Good to go with ALT3. Belle (talk) 23:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)