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Yertsevo

 * ... that the accounts of life in the Gulag labor camp, written by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński (pictured in an NKVD prison mug-shot), preceded Solzhenitsyn's revelations by more than a decade?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Live While We're Young.

Created/expanded by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at 19:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Length and hook are fine. No copyvio. But the hook's reference is based on some reviewer on Amazon, not a typical reliable source. The reviewer may well be correct but we'll need a better source if the hook is to be retained. Or you can propose a new, better sourced hook.Hybernator (talk) 19:07, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your review, Hybernator. Much appreciated. I added a couple more inline citations, including from A World Apart book review by Anne Applebaum and from the Note by Penguin Group on the book jacket. Poeticbent  talk  16:14, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Applebaum's web page says "10 years" (not "more than a decade") so we should change the text to reflect that.


 * How about (ALT1): "... that the accounts of life in the Yertsevo gulag, written by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński (pictured in an NKVD prison mug-shot), preceded Solzhenitsyn's revelations by a decade? " Hybernator (talk) 23:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I see your point about the exact reference to Yertsevo in the hook as oppose to the Gulag system as a whole. The only problem I see with your ALT is that the Solzhenitsyn's revelations did not relate to Yertsevo specifically but the entire system of camps, and even Grudziński was a prisoner of at least two of them and did not limit his book to his experiences there. Poeticbent  talk  01:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. On the other hand, the nominated article is about a specific gulag. But you want to compare Herling-Grudziński's revelations in A World Apart with those of Solzhenitsyn a decade later. What about this?
 * ALT2: "... that the accounts of life in the Yertsevo gulag, described in the book A World Apart by Herling-Grudziński (pictured), preceded Solzhenitsyn's revelations by a decade? "
 * I've removed NKVD and mugshot to keep the word count low. Hybernator (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * We are almost there. Please see my ALT3 (below) for the combined hook from all of the above.
 * ALT3: "... that the account of life in the Yertsevo labor camp, described in the book A World Apart by Herling-Grudziński (pictured), preceded Solzhenitsyn's revelations about GULAG by a decade? "  Poeticbent  talk  16:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree, almost there. I've replaced GULAG with gulags, unless there's a specific meaning to use all caps. The hook is still the 200-character limit.
 * ALT4: "... that the account of life in the Yertsevo labor camp, described in the book A World Apart by Herling-Grudziński (pictured), preceded Solzhenitsyn's revelations about gulags by a decade?" Hybernator (talk) 00:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds perfect, thanks. I crossed out the other three ALTs to avoid confusion. Looking forward to a final tick. Thanks again Hybernator. Poeticbent  talk  08:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg good to go for ALT4. Hybernator (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)