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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland

 * ... that in an essay Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland, Heinrich Heine (pictured) called Luther's "Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott" the Marseillaise of the Reformation? Source: several
 * Reviewed: Stroe Leurdeanu
 * Comment: working on an article for the hymn, as last year - for Reformation Day, 31 October

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 17:49, 25 October 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Before I start this review, I'd like to note that the hymn is under its English title A Mighty Fortress Is Our God. Can we have more English than German in the hook? Yoninah (talk) 22:16, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Please consider piping the link:
 * ALT1: ... that in a three-part essay written in French, Heinrich Heine (pictured) called Martin Luther's hymn "A Mighty Fortress is Our God" the Marseillaise of the Reformation? Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No way ;) - I woud never say Luther's "A mighty fortress", because he wrote "Ein feste Burg", which translates to "A firm castle". I wrote an article on "Ein feste Burg" last year (mainly a translation of the German one), to celebrate 500 years of Reformation. It was reverted instantly by Francis Schonken, and I was travelling and did not fight. (It's in the history of the redirect.) We talked about two articles on the article talk pages, one covering the German, one the translation, and I will try again today. We have two articles on Bach's Magnificat (BWV 243a and BWV 243), so I don't see why not. I made this hook to introduce the new article, because I was afraid it would not pass criteria, as having been created last year. Or does it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ... that the essay Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland, a history of mind in Germany by Heinrich Heine (pictured), appeared first in French as L'Allemagne depuis Luther (Germany after Luther)?
 * ALT3: ... that Heinrich Heine (pictured) wrote a history of mind in Germany, beginning with Martin Luther's Reformation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The hymn was reverted again. I give up on that one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Another variant for consideration:
 * ALT4: ... that Heinrich Heine (pictured) once called Martin Luther's hymn "Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott" the Marseillaise of the Reformation?
 * Avoids redirect for hymn name, which would likely be caught by TRM and changed to English. Possibly too much blue, however. Jmar67 (talk) 20:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, you must have missed that I don't want to link to that article (see its talk), but to the new one, which was not wanted, the second time. The hymn article we have is not fit for the Main page which is sad for a so-called vital article. - If you want to do a favour to Wikipedia, go improve it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd like to finish this review. What exactly is a "history of mind"? Do you mean "a history of thought"? Yoninah (talk) 20:01, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Per the lead, perhaps you mean "a history of religion and philosophy in Germany"? Or "a history of emancipation in Germany"? Yoninah (talk) 20:02, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT2 appears rather incomprehensible with the English, German, and French languages all vying for the reader's attention, so I struck it. But ALT3 looks good. You could give it a little more context by saying:
 * ALT5: ... that following the July Revolution in France, Heinrich Heine (pictured) wrote a history of emancipation in Germany, beginning with Luther's Reformation? Yoninah (talk) 20:09, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg ALT 5 approved. AGF on sourcing. — Maile (talk) 00:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * (ec) I tried to say something short instead of a translation which would be long. The author says in the preface about his intentions "Sie gehören nämlich zu einer Überschau deutscher Geistesvorgänge" - "They belong to an overview of German" - and then comes the word that I translated as "mind", literally "spirit processes", or "mind processes", but may be wrong. "thought" would be too short, better for science than religion. Avoiding it, or translating, for playing with:
 * ALT6: ... that the essay Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland by Heinrich Heine (pictured), begins with Luther's Reformation?
 * ALT7: ... that the essay Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland by Heinrich Heine (pictured), about the history of religion and philosophy in Germany, begins with Luther's Reformation? - ALT5 is a bit bold but catchy and with context, thank you. It has two links before the real thing, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the good word! There's nothing wrong with having the link in the middle. I really think my hook will attract English-speaking readers more than mentioning that long German title. Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , we're running out of time to promote this for October 31. Yoninah (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how I can help. We need a reviewer for ALT5, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Yes, thanks. New reviewer needed ASAP for ALT5. Pinging, , . Yoninah (talk) 00:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg ALT 5 approved. AGF on sourcing. — Maile (talk) 00:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)