Template talk:Airport destination list

Merging 2 rows plus the add of "Wing or Terminal" column
Is there a code where you can merge 2 rows plus the add of "Wing or Terminal" column in the Airport-dest-list template? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryn910 (talk • contribs) 08:39, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

named vs. numbered parameters
I've changed the template to allow the use of numbered (unnamed) parameters. With named parameters, adding an airline at a later time might required to change the numbers on all existing parameters. —  3 2 4 7    (talk) 21:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)C

center
I believe that centering the table would make it look better. pikdig (talk) 08:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

How can I create this template?
Hello! Anybody can explain me better, how can I create a template for Alicante Airport? I like this format, but I don't understand the steps to create a new template.

My apologyze with my english. Thanks! --Dr RdL (talk) 14:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well just copy


 * into the article where you want the table. Change the information as needed for that article.  Then simply add additional lines as needed for more then two airlines.  You can use the preview button to see if you are doing it correctly. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Number of rows
Can anyone help with increasing the number of rows? I tried - and made quite the mess! Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 10:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, increasing the number of rows should be proceeded by a discussion of their purpose. The existing limited set of columns was based on consensus. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... If one needs more rows than the tamplate currently supports, there is a problem. Is that a good enough purpose? Jasepl (talk) 11:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No since there should be consensus for the data in the added row. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good Lord! Some airports (Eg Roissy and Rome) have more airlines than the current template supports. So, what happens, is that all of the airlines don't show up and some of them get cut off. Is that an acceptable enough purpose for thou, o obstinate master of the template? Jasepl (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was think of columns. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Try Airport-dest-list/test. I think I added 100 more rows to one of the two ways to use the template.  See if that works for you. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just tried it - doesn't work though. Still cuts off the table at the same point. Jasepl (talk) 06:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You are probably using the other form. I'll try and change that in the next day or two. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, I managed to figure out the logic and added several rows to the template. Turns out it works too (much to my shock!) Jasepl (talk) 05:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. Now we have another qualified template coder. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible list
Just wondering can we make this list collapsible. It looks very huge list in some case like say Mumbai Airport, New York etc. KuwarOnline Talk 14:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support, with the state being collapsed by default. In some cases, long lists are undue when considered in the context of the amount of other encyclopedic information available about such airports. -- Trevj (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Well-designed airports like Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta (ATL), Denver International (DEN), etc...
...have a layout that causes a minor difficulty in using this template.

Basically the issue is that the terminals are designed such that ticketing, check-in, baggage claim take place in various buildings accessible by roads/ground transportation (called "terminals" at ATL) while the gates for those waiting for flights take place in a distinct group of buildings at which aircraft park (called "concourses" at ATL).

Airlines are assigned gates at one or more "concourses", and are assigned check-in counters and baggage claim facilities at one or more "terminals". However, unlike most airports these assignments are independent in that the concourse an airline is assigned is not necessarily related to the terminal they are assigned.

The template is only designed to have three columns, which works for most airports.

Example - JFK airport

Airline          Destinations   Terminal American         ... 8 British Airways  ... 7 Delta            ... 2, 3, 4 Korean Air       ... 1 United           ... 7 etc.

The solution I attempted on the ATL page is to combine both the Terminal assignment and the Concourse assignment into the third column, like this:

Airline          Destinations   Terminal/Concourse American         ... North/T British Airways  ... North/E Delta            ... South/T, A, B, C, D, E Korean Air       ... North/E United           ... North/T, D etc.

which was reverted.

Since many airports are designed with either the ATL layout or other layouts that have separate "Terminals" and "Concourses"/"Airsides" (such as TPA/MCO), shouldn't the template or the WikiProject have a way to address this?

My suggestions - If this is a problem for many airports the template should allow a fourth column. If not, then for the airports with separate terminal and concourse assignments, the main table should have only the airlines and destinations, and another table should have the terminals and concourses like this:

Airline    Destinations Delta      ... United      ... etc.

Airline    Terminal    Concourse Delta      South       T, A, B, C, D, E United      North       T, D

--96.32.181.73 (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Airlines per destination?
Would it not be more useful to show the airlines for each destination? After all I do not usually want to fly a particular airline and then choose a destination: I usually want to fly somewhere and then I choose the airline. Anyone disagree and if so why? Jzlcdh (talk) 20:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTTRAVEL. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Vegaswikian; since Wikipedia is not a travel guide we don't need to provide this. If you're trying to decide who to fly to a particular destination, you're better off using a travel booking site as this will include airfares and connecting flight options which Wikipedia doesn't. That said, I have use Wikipedia's airport articles to see what airlines fly between a particular city pair; I simply use my browser's Find feature to search for the name of the other city. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 23:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I had a look at the guideline referred to above and it is a guideline against having too much detail for tourists. However my argument would be that (unless you are in the airport or airline business) where one can fly to direct from a particular airport is a more notable feature of the airport than which airlines fly from it. But maybe there is some way of having the template (or a new template) where the destinations could be sorted as well as the airlines. Thus making the information for large airports more readable both for those interested in airlines and those interested in destinations. Presumably one could then also incorporate the collapsibility suggested in another post above. But I am not enough of a Wikipedia expert to know how to do that. Jzlcdh (talk) 15:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The only way I can think of to do it would be to have an individual row for each airline and destination combination. I've taken the example below from Molokai Airport, and you can imagine how big this would be for a major hub airport; I imagine that we'd have several screenfuls each just for Delta and AirTran at Atlanta, for example). The one advantage of this format I could see would be making it easier to add additional information, particularly breaking the single destination column into city, state/province, country, and airport, for example.
 * {|class="sortable wikitable"

! Airline !! Destination
 * Island Air || Honolulu
 * Island Air || Kahului
 * Island Air || Kapalua
 * Island Air || Lanai
 * Mokulele Airlines || Honolulu
 * Mokulele Airlines || Kahului
 * Pacific Wings || Honolulu
 * Pacific Wings || Kalaupapa
 * }
 * -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Mokulele Airlines || Kahului
 * Pacific Wings || Honolulu
 * Pacific Wings || Kalaupapa
 * }
 * -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Pacific Wings || Kalaupapa
 * }
 * -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 February 2012
Please add the year in the start dates ie, instead of Ebonia [begins 17 May], it should be Ebonia [begins 17 May, 2012]. This in accordance with a consensus at the project's talk page and WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT also says so. Thanks. &mdash;  Abhishek  Talk 13:11, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The dates are not specifically passed to this template, so this template cannot be edited to change the format of the dates. You will have to go to each article using the template and edit the article to specify the correct year in the dates. You'll probably also want to update the documentation, which you can do yourself by editing Template:Airport destination list/doc. Anomie⚔ 16:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that dates are not passed and individual articles have already been changed. What I asked was for a change in the examples given for start dates, so that it reflects the consensus at the projects page and so that tomorrow we won't have revert wars saying that the edit for the start dates was done in accordance with the example at this template. &mdash;  Abhishek  Talk 14:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The doc page isn't protected, so you can change any examples you like. — Bility (talk) 16:52, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion of Template:Airport destination list in articles
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports. -- Trevj (talk) 15:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)|Inclusion of {{Airport destination list}} in articles}}

Sortable should be optional
As can be seen at Berlevåg Airport there are instances where having the option to sort the list is clearly redundant. __meco (talk) 09:45, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Expansion depth
When I try to add a citation needed tag to the destination table at Logan Airport, I get an expansion depth exceeded error, suggesting that this table is right at the expansion limit. I don't understand the issues involved (and the essay WP:UNNEST suggests that I'm not alone!), but could someone who is involved with this template find a way to reduce the number of levels involved? The inability to add a citation needed tag is undesirable, to say the least. Thanks!

For an example of the problem, see this version of the Logan Airport article under KLM. —Alex (ASHill &#124; talk &#124; contribs) 23:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Fourth column option
I think that an option for a fourth column should be added to the list. This could be useful in articles for airports whose airlines have separate locations for terminals and concourses/gate locations. Many airport articles like this put all the information in one column, which can make readability very confusing. Examples of articles that could benefit from this are McCarran International Airport, Orlando International Airport, O'Hare International Airport. – Dream out loud (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 July 2016
Would it be possible to add another (4th) optional column (in addition to 3rdcoltitle) to indicate the Alliance (e.g. Star Alliance, SkyTeam, etc)?

MoshePupkin (talk) 11:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Intended changes are in Module:Airport destination list/sandbox. (effective diff, testcase 2a) Should be uncontroversial, but holding off on syncing for a day or two in case there are comments. (Width 10% attached still only to 3rd column makes existing column widths shift when the 4th is present) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 14:48, 24 July 2016 (UTC) 15:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 19:36, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Unsortable reference column
Is it possible to add an unsortable column to the table? We are having discussions at WT:AIRPORTS about referencing issues, and this would help. Currently it is only possible to add a sortable column, which is not useful for references. Thanks. — Sunnya343&#9992; (háblame • my work) 02:30, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Please don't use edit requests to ask questions. Edit requests are to request already determined and tested edits to be implemented. It is possible to edit Module:Airport destination list to add parameters to specify that the additional columns be unsortable. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:27, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think Special:Diff/794628147 will do what you want. See example. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * My apologies, also for the delayed response. Please incorporate this edit (Special:Diff/794628147). — Sunnya343&#9992; (háblame • my work) 21:26, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

COVID-19 suspensions
If you wonder about if and how to document this, there is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports. It seems to say that such suspensions should not be mentioned. If an airline reports they cancel a route more permanently, then the destination should be removed.--BIL (talk) 08:28, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Visual Editor concern
Unless I'm using it wrong, this template appears to makes it much harder (impossible unless you know the cite code off by heart) to add references to destinations in the visual editor. What advantages does this template have over just using a normal table? I think it's important that pages work with the visual editor where possible, especially as people are frequently reverted for not properly sourcing additions to airport pages. Thanks NemesisAT (talk) 15:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that this template's documentation needs TemplateData code added to it in order to make it work well with VE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit request to complete TfD nomination
Template:Airport destination list has been listed at Templates for discussion (nomination), but was protected so could not be tagged. Please add:

to the top of the page to complete the nomination. Thank you. NemesisAT (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 19:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Elli. This is my first time listing at Templates for discussion so I wasn't sure which kind of notice to use. NemesisAT (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Please revert to standard font size
Per WP:ACCESSIBILITY, the smaller font size used in this serves no good purpose and may hinder readability by those with visual impairment. Thanks in advance. 10mmsocket (talk) 23:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Three errors (recommendations) on airport destination lists
We need to address some common errors in airport destination lists.

First, please spell resumes correctly.

Second, please stop putting resumes inserted of begins when the reference article says “new route beginning.” For example in “Denver International Airport” Wikipedia article says in the Fronter section (shown below) that Harrisburg International Airport is resuming but, in the article “Frontier Airlines Announces 27 Nonstop Routes, 2 New International Destinations” by Frontier it says “Ultra-low fare carrier Frontier Airlines (NASDAQ: ULCC) today announced a major expansion of service, adding 27 nonstop routes, including new destinations Guadalajara and Monterrey, Mexico. The airline is also significantly growing its service from Philadelphia and Raleigh-Durham. To celebrate, Frontier is offering fares as low as $29.*”

The third and final thing is that some flights that are seasonal are shown as a daily flight. For example In “Oakland International Airport” Wikipedia article says that in the Hawaiian Airlines section (shown below) that Kona International Airport is a daily flight but, in the article “Hawaiian Airlines To Add Kona-Oakland Route In June” By Aaron Karp it says “The carrier will launch daily flights between Kona (KOA) and Oakland (OAK) from June 15. The service will be seasonal, operating through Sept. 6.” Harrisyt12 (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)