Template talk:America's Got Talent

ArcAttack
Can we add back ArcAttack now under Other alumni, as they are out of the competion now. --Abhishikt 02:37, 26 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishikt (talk • contribs)
 * It has already been added.  MR.   Pre  Z  22:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Grandma Lee
Okay to add Grandma to this? She definitely blew the socks off viewers. Tinton5 (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to Rappin' Granny, I think anyone who has appeared on the show and has a reasonable Wikipedia article that establishes notability is entitled to be added to alumni. Cresix (talk) 01:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I just noticed that Rappin' Granny is already in the template. To which Grandma do you refer? Cresix (talk) 01:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Grandma Lee is who I'm referring to. Tinton5 (talk) 22:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I only have a vague memory of her, so I really can't express an opinion. Let's see what others say. Cresix (talk) 22:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

attempted to clean template
This template is a mess with missing articles, links that don't go to articles and worse it's impossible to tell what year each season is and which years each act performed. Cresix erased all my efforts to clean this up but you can see the cleaner version here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bee well (talk • contribs) 03:20, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Templates are designed to be a very brief overview that the reader can quickly view to get an idea about details that he/she wishes to find by clicking the links. The simpler, the better. Your changes don't make the template easier to navigate; they make it harder because of information overload. If the reader wants to know when Season 2 occurred, he/she clicks the link and finds out. Your changes are quite contrary to the way templates such as this are typically set up on Wikipedia. You appear to be relatively new to Wikipedia, so I am not questioning your good faith in these edits. Good faith is not the same as good editing, however. Your concern is now on the talk page, so let's see whether others agree with you. Please don't make the change again, however, unless a clear consensus emerges here. BTW, I'm not sure what missing articles you refer to, but that's an entirely different matter than adding all the dates. What articles are missing? And which links "don't go to articles"? Thank you. Cresix (talk) 03:26, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree with getting the template sorted by date The current category list shows 65 contestants with articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.16.6 (talk) 03:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC) — 71.139.16.6 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * There is a HUGE difference between a small template and a category list. The template by definition is very small. A category list essentially can be endless. And if we add 30 or 40 more contestants AND place a date by each one, the template will be gigantic. Very bad idea. Cresix (talk) 03:41, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Plenty of templates are much larger than this and simply employ "show" to expand sections. Maybe it should be organized so that each year has its own section (so 2009 would list the winner, season article, runners up and alumni) so we only have to print the year once? Otherwise who gets to decide which 10-15 articles out of the 60 (so far) get included? Missing articles include Prince Poppycock who you removed twice now and plenty of others. I would think there would be a whole set of new ones each year. The template needs a facelift. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bee well (talk • contribs) 16:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're simply wrong that there are "plenty of templates much larger than this". Few if any templates for shows with equivalent seasons and episodes are longer. Look again. The "Show" link is for changing the template from one line to it's full size, which is rarely longer than this template for an equivalent subject. The "Show" link is usually employed when an article has several templates so that the all of the templates together do not expand the length of the article unnecessarily; it usually has nothing to do with the size of a single template. Here's a couple of examples of typically sized templates that I picked at random: Template:Navbox House (television series), Template:The Sopranos, Template:Desperate Housewives. And these are for shows with as many or more seasons or episodes than AGT. There are dozens more. The format of the template should not change.
 * To add articles you need a consensus here. Otherwise the template will be enormous. Every performer does not have equal merit for inclusion in the template. That's why Wikipedia has a consensus process. I personally am OK with including Prince Poppycock because he has reached a high level. If no one objects in a few days, I'm OK to include him. (BTW, thanks for all your work on his article.) But don't add others without getting opinions here first. You also said that the template has links that "don't go to articles". Can you explain? Cresix (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no season 6 article, it sends to a different one. There were a few others that I removed for the same reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bee well (talk • contribs) 17:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no season 6 article because season 6 hasn't begun. Wikipedia avoids major discussion of an event before it happens. Read WP:CRYSTAL. That's why films are not put in an actor's filmography template until filming begins. I personally opposed placing a season 6 link in the template until the season began, but others made a good case for it because it is a virtual certainty to occur given the show's popularity. What others did you remove? Cresix (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, you should sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes " ~ ". Thanks. Cresix (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You obviously own the template so I give up, have a great one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bee well (talk • contribs) 02:15, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please be careful about making personal attacks. Cresix (talk) 02:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Definition of "notable"
Should we have a clear definition of acts which are notable and which aren't? Because somebody just listed 3 acts (i remember geechy guy, squonk opera) which definitely didnt qualify as notable (they didn't even make it past quarterfinals). Somebody list Prof. Splash and ELEW. I have to admit they are notable, but are they notable enough inside AGT to be considered for listing? Professor Splash has a world record, but he hasn't (as of this edit) made it past semis. Same for Smage Brothers (which was also listed). ELEW is notable for touring with Josh Groban, but he just made one appearance on the show. He wasn't even in Las Vegas. Does this qualify as notable for AGT (not for the realm outside of AGT)? Gamer9832 (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Geechy Guy, Professor Splash, Smage Brothers Riding Shows, and Squonk Opera who are in the Top 48 list of the season 6 are independently notable outside AGT. That's why we have their own articles in the English Wikipedia. We don't add those to the template until the season 6 is over. Furthermore the winner, the runner-up, and two other acts in the Top 4 list in this season will have their own articles as soon as they will have reached to the final. On the other hand, ELEW should not be considered for listing on the template as he dropped out AGT for touring with Groban and was unable to compete in the "Las Vegas Week" audition. Leonid the Magnificent is also notable for the AGT's season 1 and other events, but he was twice eliminated in the same audition during the second and sixth (this) seasons. Same as ELEW, he should not be considered for listing under the "Season 2" and "Season 6" sections of the template. --67.169.26.230 (talk) 22:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Contestants who had performed during live competition in Hollywood are notable enough for AGT. These include such as Connor Doran and The Strange Familiar in the season 5. I will add them to the "Season 5" section of the template if there is no objection. --67.169.26.230 (talk) 18:56, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, we shouldn't list acts that didn't make it through to the live shows. Gamer9832 (talk) 04:56, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That includes ELEW and Leonid the Magnificent in the AGT's season 6. --67.169.26.230 (talk) 21:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Set Notability Guidelines
Let's make a clear set of notability guidelines for this template. It seems that people are just adding random acts that have Wikipedia articles.

Here's what I suggest (acts should meet all criteria):
 * Act has to have made live shows or higher. Which means ELEW (although he is famous) shouldn't count.
 * Act has to have had a significant amount of fame outside the show (e.g. Strange Familiar or Jabawockeez), or made the final 4. Which means Conor Doran, Geechy Guy, and Smage Brothers do not count (they are only famous for being on the show).
 * Just because acts have articles on Wikipedia, does not make them notable. Notability has to be defined as commercial success or significantly famous.

I'm not trying to set rules, just trying to set up some kind of order for the template. What do you guys think? Gamer9832 (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree with your rationales. People that have been listed in Template:America's Got Talent were quarterfinalists, semifinalists, finalists, runner-ups, and winners in the live shows in Hollywood. If they were, and their own Wikipedia articles are existing that may meet notability guidelines, then their notability is established. They are not just random acts, but also are called "notable contestants." Regarding ELEW, he was marginally notable for one appearance on AGT, and although his initial audition was passed, he did not take part in the Las Vegas Week audition. He was never a notable contestant on AGT other than his participance in Straight to You Tour with Josh Groban. Looking at Template:Britain's Got Talent, it lists finalists and semifinalists whose Wikipedia articles are existing and who were actually notable contestants on that show. --67.169.28.10 (talk) 03:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I completely disagree with you on some things here. Acts need to be at least somewhat notable outside AGT to be listed. Squonk Opera hasn't had even been mentioned since the year 2000 before AGT. That's not notable. Connor Doran definitely isn't notable. He hasn't appeared anywhere but AGT, and the news articles that merit his Wikipedia article only mention his AGT appearances. I would nominate the article for deletion. Smage Brothers isn't notable outside AGT, either. Therefore, they should be removed until they have achieved some sort of fame outside of AGT. We need to maintain a strict guideline, or else anyone can add any random person who appeared on AGT who just happens to have an article. Gamer9832 (talk) 22:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * So what does qualify as notable? Geechy Guy and Professor Splash do, they've appeared on multiple other venues (and won world records). Strange Familiar has its own tv show. Haspop has appeared on Incroyable Talent in France and was on Cirque du Soleil. That's notable. Gamer9832 (talk) 22:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Connor Doran is definitely notable as an epilepsy advocate. He was the only contestant with epilepsy ever on AGT, and had appeared in the Wild Card episode and semifinals. Like Alice Tan Ridley, he was placed in the Top 12 during the semifinals. Both were eliminated by judges' choices. We omit articles on Squonk Opera and Smage Brothers Riding Shows from the template because they either contain the template or a few or no references. --67.169.28.10 (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Notability, season 7
I'm new to this show and its accompanying articles. Does anyone else think that William Close (musician), and his Earth Harp, should be mentioned or even given his own article? He was somewhat notable prior to this show, [www.massensemble.com/] How about Andrew De Leon, who has gotten quite a bit of news coverage?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)