Template talk:Campaignbox Kurdish separatism in Iran

Move war
This page has been move-warred by User:HistorNE and User:Greyshark09 in August 2013. I have moved it to its pre-August title and protected it from further moves. Please use WP:RM to suggest a new title and form consensus. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:16, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the move war continues, despite the fact that HistorNE failed to get consensus to rename the article, and refuses do engage in dialogue, insisting upon a single view of this conflict - claiming KDPI strives for autonomy rather than independence. It is however obvious that KDPI has changed policies since 1996 - refraining from violent struggle since (it was almost completely destroyed by Iranian security forces via imprisonment and assassinations), and in any case autonomy demand it is still carrying is also a sort of separatism.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Greyshark is playing dirty games here because he refused to engage in dialogue and insists upon false interpretations. It should be noted that administrator voted against name changing after I completely rewrote article, and now he's avoiding discussion again and force his POV version. I'm repeating table from Talk:Kurdish separatism in Iran:


 * Refs

Despite sources clearly disagree that specific conflicts are "separatism", Greyshark09 continues to force his POV. --HistorNE (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * KDPI ideology is widely referred as separatist, some however dispute whether they strive for complete Kurdish independence or just autonomous entity (both are kinds of separatism). KDPI was briefly attempting to brand itself as "non-separatist" in 1979 right after the Islamic revolution (see "The Kurds And the State: Evolving National Identity in Iraq, Turkey, And Iran" quote - "despite its criticisms of the regime, in its early postrevolutionaly public discourses the KDPI called itself an authentically national and Iranian party" p.144-5 ), but discourse in relations with the Islamic State and the ensuing KDPI rebellion returned it to an ethnic-nationalist struggle for separate Kurdish identity - their "nationalist project" (see p.145 "Instead of creating a cohesive Kurdish nationalist movement, some Kurdish leaders such as Husayni's brother Shaykh Jalal accepted Iraqi military assistance and formed a Sunni militia opposed to the Iranian government and Kurdish nationalist parties. Qasimlu differentiated his real Kurdish nationalist party from 'traitors' within the KDPI. Others, such as the prominent Ghani Boulorian, tried to negotiate with the central government. After the revolution some Shi'a Kurds from Ilam, Kermanshah and West Azerbaijan turned away from Kurdish nationalists and towards non-Kurdish Shi'a communities. Sunni Kurdish leftists continued to direct the nationalist project in their enclave in Kurdistan Province, having marginal influence over Shi'a Kurds in other regions."

). I have no problem to rename this template to "Campaignbox Kurdish-Iranian conflict" (one of the initially proposed names), but "Kurdish separatism in Iran" is more common; i welcome other possibilities as well, but we should keep focus on what this article is about.Greyshark09 (talk) 19:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's better to have both articles and templates. You spent time for making article about general conflict, and I spent time for making one about separatism. These are two different themes. --HistorNE (talk) 12:47, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a very much disputed forced split, remerger discussed at templates for discussion.Greyshark09 (talk) 14:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Remerger was proposed under some neutral name as "Kurdish conflict(s) in Iran" or "Kurdish–Iranian conflict", not under biased title "separatism". Until better name is accepted, all events irrelevant to separatism will be excluded from template. --HistorNE (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - user:HistorNE was permanently blocked from editing Wikipedia, identified as a sockmaster.GreyShark (dibra) 06:39, 4 June 2017 (UTC)