Template talk:Certification Table Entry/Archive 5

Denmark single gaps
There's a 2008 sheet that has 7,500 gold and 15,000 platinum here. Don't know when exactly it was published but the earliest one I found is June 25 2008 from the archive date. The same page is used until April 19 2009. I also found that there was an update in December 2009 where gold singles were 15,000 and platinum were 30,000 per archive.org. I can find the same page until February 15th 2010. Don't know if you already have it. Overall, I believe July 2008-March 2009 and December 2009-January 2010 are for sure. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The levels for Denmark, for all time periods are known and sourced at the IFPI Danmark. Are you having problems with the template bringing up incorrect results?--Harout72 (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * According to the template documentation: Denmark has "Unknown thresholds between January and September 2007 for albums/videos, October 2007 and August 2010 for singles". Unless the template documenation wasn't updated? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The levels for albums are known for the time between January and September 2007, the levels were amended on February 1, 2007. The levels for Singles for the periods of October 2007 and August 2010 are also known. Starting April 1, 2009, the levels for singles are here. Hopefully, can fix all that.--Harout72 (talk) 22:12, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Let me know if I broke anything. --Muhandes (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems to work perfectly.--Harout72 (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Denmark albums per update
I'm currently working on the singles/albums per the template adjustments for Denmark. The Ultimate Collection (Whitney Houston album) makes sense to require a certmonth because february 2007 was an album certification change. However, I don't get why Working on a Dream needed a cert month when it was certified in 2009 (the next album cert change was in 2011). On a different side issue, Sound of a Rebel was certified in June 2011 which should make it gold. However, it gives a 0 and when I add the relmonth|5 next to |relyear=2009 it generates 15,000. Am I missing something? Thanks. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Your last question can be answered with this discussion. IFPI Denmark applied the certification-levels based on release dates prior to July 2012. Therefore, the template for Sound of a Rebel shows 15,000 units for Gold as that was the level for Gold albums before January 7, 2011.--Harout72 (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. Your explanation help solved Working on a Dream as well. Now I'd have to check whether I used relyear / certyear for the denmark ones I updated. Thanks --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll just add that due to implementation issues, certmonth, certday etc. may be required even if it is not apparent why. This is because for some regions (Denmark included), the period determination code is shared between albums and singles. Just feed it a date and it should be fine. --Muhandes (talk) 07:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. I see as with Sounds of the Universe and The Fame Monster. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Belgium certification confusion
Hello. I've tried to correct the Belgium certification for The Police (album), but I keep getting 0 for sales. Template says I need: "certyear and relyear and sometimes relmonth and certmonth". The article has |relyear=2007|relmonth=6|relday=8|certyear=2007. The only thing I tried to add was |certmonth=6 as the rest was there. I've tried combinations of the four parameters but still getting 0. What am i missing? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This was missing from the documentation (and now I added it). The explanation can be found in Belgian Entertainment Association. We have a source for album certification thresholds before 2006. We have a source for certification thresholds from October 2007. We don't have a source for the thresholds between those dates, so the template returns "0". You can either research this further and find a source which would be great, or more simply, you can use to remove the number entirely since it is unknown to us. --Muhandes (talk) 11:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I came across this article on Billboard, which speaks of the album Inventaire by a French singer released on April 16, 2007. The artcle states it's gone Gold in Belgium for 10,000. As we already know, Belgium applies their lower/domestic certification-levels to non-Belgian French sung albums. So this goes to show that although IFPI 2007 has been published in October, Belgium had lowered its levels by April 1, 2007 for sure. The previous levels for Belgium can be seen here on page 23. So we can program the template to bring up Gold=15,000, Platinum=30,000 effective April 1, 2007 (that is for international repertoire). In my opinion they've made the change before that, but I need to do some more research into that to make sure of it.--Harout72 (talk) 01:21, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, that gives us four more months. Still 16 months we need to cover. --Muhandes (talk) 06:41, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't test this, but the template should now report the current values from April 2007. --Muhandes (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Tested, The Police (album) now works. --Muhandes (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Awesome! One more certification fixed :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:18, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Discord link
Hello. I'm wondering if anyone would like to join me on Discord. There is a specific channel for music and I'd be happy to have other music editors join as well :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm on Discord most of the time but I'm not very active (to say the least).--Muhandes (talk) 20:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

New Zealand certs 2007 onwards
Hello. As a followup to Scapolo's book from 1966-2006, I'm wondering if there's a book from 2007 onwards. The reason why I ask is because Sexy Love, Michael Jackson's Vision and In the Now claimed to be certified. Sexy Love is a 2006 song which wasn't certified when it was on the charts until January 2007 and Radioscope's link doesn't start until May 2007. I wouldn't be surprised if it was certified in between these months. Michael Jackson's Vision on the other hand is a 2010 DVD (which didn't chart in NZ). Finally, In the Now doesn't have any certification according to NZ Top 40. If there was another book/reference that covers the remaining years, that'd be amazing. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:29, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

ARIA chart accrediations – before 1997
Hello. I'm finding multiple Australian accreditations before 1997 that don't link to the ARIA website (e.g. The Bridge (Billy Joel album) and The Kick Inside. I persume it'd be like NZ where a book reference would be needed i.e. the Kent Report? Should the references to albums/songs pre 1997 be kept to ARIA or directed elsewhere? Thanks. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that if no other source is provided, this is a misuse of the template and the certification should be removed since it is unsourced. --Muhandes (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Would the Kent Report have accrediations? Also, would it be a good idea to have an error page for the years before 1997 when they are used in the aussie template? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:08, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No idea about the Kent Report, I'm not really an expert. As for displaying an error, that's one more for the TDL, I'll look into it next weekend. --Muhandes (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay no worries. The error was just for cosmetic purposes not super needed :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've just found for Janet (album) a citation to the Kent report 1993-2005 edition that says it went 2x platinum. This is confirmed on Aria's website. Therefore I think the Kent Report books Australian Chart Book 1970–1992 and Australian Chart Book (1993–2005) would be very useful to cover the years before 1997. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:43, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * If you intend to use them heavily I can assist with a simple citation template and even incorporate them into this one. If it is just going to be a few citations, there is little point. --Muhandes (talk) 08:18, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Guys Kent Music Report does have the citations listed. So if we can have a book reference generated that would be awesome. — IB [ Poke ] 09:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me be blunt. About two weeks ago there was a similar request for New Zealand certifications. It seemed like an interesting proof of concept so I implemented it. To the best of my knowledge, aside from my own minor usages, it was not used even once. I would rather implement things which are used, so this time I ask before I start: are editors going to use this? If so, I'd be happy to help. --Muhandes (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Muhandes, you can have my word that I will use it definitely. Most of the Madonna song articles that I edit have certifications from Kent Music Report before 1997 so the template will be of huge use. — IB [ Poke ] 16:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I would definitely use both the NZ and Aussie books ones. Problem is for me, I don't have access to either of them in a physical book copy. Therefore, I personally can't use the templates unless I was 100% certain that the information is supported before I use them. My personal preference. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'll put it on my TDL as well. Just to clarify, we are talking about three books:
 * There is also an old 1993–2005 book, is there a need to provide that as well? --Muhandes (talk) 07:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think so as it would overlap with the 1993-2009 one. Again, I don't have access to any of Kent's books so I can't personally use them either. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi hope you don't mind I replaced the isbn-10 format with isbn-13 in the above references. They look fine and can be incorporated in the template. I do have the 1970-1992 book which I have used for the Madonna articles to verify. — IB  [ Poke ] 11:49, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * There is also an old 1993–2005 book, is there a need to provide that as well? --Muhandes (talk) 07:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think so as it would overlap with the 1993-2009 one. Again, I don't have access to any of Kent's books so I can't personally use them either. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi hope you don't mind I replaced the isbn-10 format with isbn-13 in the above references. They look fine and can be incorporated in the template. I do have the 1970-1992 book which I have used for the Madonna articles to verify. — IB  [ Poke ] 11:49, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

,, – before we implement anything we should check out the books. I've seen the 1970-1992 book on a number of occasions and I don't think it includes certifications, although I could be wrong. I don't know if the 1993-2005 book does. The person to ask here will be who owns copies of the books and can confirm for us. Richard3120 (talk) 15:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * *facepalm* you are very right. Its not he Kent Music Report which has the certification. Its Gavin Ryan's Australia's Music Charts 1988–2010 which has them. I'm so sorry guys I completely forgot which one was which, apologies. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 15:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Better to catch it before it is implemented than after. I assume you we are referring to
 * , if you still find this useful, I will try to implement it this weekend. --Muhandes (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Unlike the David Kent books, the Gavin Ryan one isn't in the British Library - we'd need someone who has access to it to be able to check certifications... maybe Ss112 has it?
 * Update: I've just realised that IndianBio talks above about using the book for certifications in the past... I assume you meant Ryan's book rather than Kent's, and that you in fact have access to Australian certifications for us? Richard3120 (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Muhandes, I understand your annoyance that nobody has used the NZ book citation that you implemented. The truth is that on flicking through the book while looking for various chart peaks, I noticed very few songs had certifications... it might even be fewer than 100 in the whole book. I don't know if this is due to few singles reaching the certification levels or many singles not applying for accreditation, but the upshot is that there won't be many song articles that will use it anyway. I don't live in the UK which makes things harder, but what I will do is the next time I am in the Library I will take a couple of hours to go through the whole book and note every song that has been certified, and then add them to the relevant articles. Richard3120 (talk) 17:58, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * My mistake for assuming Kent Report had accrediations. I assumed as Kent Report was the official chart before ARIA made theirs. In regards to NZ - the ones in particular I'd like to confirm/dismiss are Rock with You and Wuthering Heights (song). In a way, having only a handful of them in this particular NZ book means it can be checked more quickly and serve as a backup to the website as well in my opinion :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've got "Wuthering Heights" in NZ – it was a platinum disc, which isn't surprising as I think it was NZ's no. 1 single of 1978. I didn't check Michael Jackson's listings, I'm afraid. To give you an idea of how even the biggest artists failed to receive many gold or platinum discs in NZ... Queen, Dire Straits and Simply Red only have one certified single each... Elton John, the Police and Madness don't have any at all.
 * The Kent Report became the official Australian chart in retrospect – I think ARIA only adopted and licensed it officially from 1983 onwards, although Kent had been compiling it since 1974 under his own steam. ARIA started producing their own chart in-house in 1989, and so this is when full ARIA charts started. But Kent was never responsible for handing out certifications – there was an Australian certifying body in the 1970s and 80s, but I don't know much about how they were awarded at that time. Richard3120 (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay do you know which page number for Wuthering Heights? I'd need to replace the NZ citation with the book as it current cites Radioscope. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep, just done it for you. :-) I'm going to add a few others that I have. Richard3120 (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Oh and before I forget, could you check for I Just Can't Stop Loving You by Michael Jackson 1987? Came across it yesterday and oddly the website doesn't have it. It could be a false accrediation. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Oh and before I forget, could you check for I Just Can't Stop Loving You by Michael Jackson 1987? Came across it yesterday and oddly the website doesn't have it. It could be a false accrediation. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me. None of David Kent's books contain ARIA certifications. Gavin Ryan's books (1988-2008 was a single chart-only book; 1988-2010 contains both singles and albums charts data) contain certifications, but are now both out of print (see https://ozmusicbooks.com/product/australias-music-charts-1988-2010/ ). I have a copy of the pdf edition of the 1988-2010 book - I'm happy to share this with editors who are actually going to use it to add info from it to wikipedia - my user page has a link where you can email me. That being said, I have noticed that there are a small number of certications from 1988-1989 missing from this book, perhaps because they were not annotated on the printed top 50 charts, which were available in record stores, until April 1989. ARIA licensed the top 50 portion of the Kent Music Report chart from mid-1983 until the first ARIA-produced chart (chart survey date 13 June 1988, equating to the week ending 26 June 1988 printed top 50 chart). I have seen pictures of a Kent Music Report from 1982 or thereabouts that lists a number of singles and albums that received gold or platinum accreditation in the preceding 6 months or so, but there is no mention of ARIA from memory. David Kent's books, though, do not list certifications. The certifications for singles and albums were also higher pre-1989 (50k for gold and 100k for platinum).Nqr9 (talk) 08:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's the photo of the Kent Music Report, listing accreditations, that I was referring to. It is from the 28 February 1983 edition - https://i.imgur.com/qEpQpFx.jpg .  There were a few more listed on the following page.Nqr9 (talk) 08:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * A further note about Gavin Ryan's books - the physical, printed editions do not contain page numbers. The pdf edition of the 1988-2010 book, however, of course does.  The book was also sold as a CD-ROM, but I do not own it.  So... when citing this book as a reference, I now specify that it was the pdf edition, and add the relevant page number(s).  This issue came up a while ago with  in relation to Madonna chart positions between 51-100, if I remember correctly.Nqr9 (talk) 08:25, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * To complicate matters further with pre-1990 ARIA certifications, the charts did not specify the level of platinum for multi-platinum certifications, so e.g. Kylie Minogue's 'Kylie' album is listed with just two adjacent triangles to indicate multi-platinum status on the top 100 albums of 1989 chart (see https://i.imgur.com/aaFG1cy.png ), when its actual certification level was 4x platinum.Nqr9 (talk) 08:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes the issue cropped up during the Madonna certifications. What do you suggest in terms of implementing this book in the certification template? Should we also include a note that editors can email you for any certification listing present or not? — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b>  [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 10:28, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't really want to be responsible for answering everyone's queries on ARIA certifications, but I'm happy to share the pdf of the out of print book (if that is permitted to advertise here) for editors using it to add certifications/chart positions between 51-100 from this era with references.Nqr9 (talk) 10:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

✅ With 's generous offer, I'm certain this will come handy, so I went ahead and implemented it. It was much easier the second time.
 * First,, a simple template to cite this book with just a few letters. For example: Madonna's "Oh Father" peaked at peaked at #59 in January 1990 in Australia.


 * Second, cite certification accepts for using Ryan's book, with id for page number.

Creates:


 * Finally, and probably most useful, this can be used with Certification Table Entry:


 * }

As usual, let me know if I broke anything, or anything else needs to be added. Happy editing! --Muhandes (talk) 16:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Just one thing - Gavin Ryan's book does not contain positions 51-100 from between the first ARIA-produced chart survey (13 June 1988) and the last ARIA chart survey of 1989 (18 December 1989), as this was before the full top 100 was made publicly available in The ARIA Report, first published in January 1990. So that Edie Brickell & New Bohemians "Circle" peak given as an example does not actually appear in the book, but I had to ask ARIA for it (and have cited a different reference on that page).  An example of a peak you could use is Madonna's "Oh Father", which peaked at #59 in January 1990, and is listed on the book on page 174.Nqr9 (talk) 03:35, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I replaced the example with the one you suggested. --Muhandes (talk) 12:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in using the template too, but there are some articles in Category:Cite certification used with missing parameters that peaked at #1-50 in Australia so they can't be resolved with Ryan i.e Tusk (album), Wish (The Cure album) and That's the Way Love Goes (Janet Jackson song). Is there another book/pdf file that has 1-50 with certifications for Australia? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:15, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Gavin Ryan's book is 1988 to 2010, so the Cure and Janet Jackson records should be in there, shouldn't they? With regards to Fleetwood Mac and other pre-ARIA era certifications before 1989... the Australian editors may be able to confirm this, but I was under the impression that they only appeared on the original Kent Report newsletters/chart sheets from the time, and I don't think these are now available. Richard3120 (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Then I'm confused with Nqr9's comment about Ryan's book only having 51-100 chart positions. I thought that meant any album/song peaking above 50 will not be there. Did i misunderstand? Cure and Janet Jackson both peaked at #1 --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 04:00, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think what Nqr9 is saying is that for 1988 to 1989 the book only has top 50 placings, and expands to a top 100 from 1990 onwards. This shouldn't be an issue, as it's unlikely that a song that peaked outside the top 50 in any year will have sold enough to gain a certification. Richard3120 (talk) 11:34, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'm definitely interested in the PDF copy so I can determine whether articles that claim to be certified before 1997 are indeed valid such as Crossroads (Tracy Chapman album). I guess I'll have to remove The Kick Inside and The Bridge (Billy Joel album) as Ryan doesn't cover ones before 1988 (unless there's another book?). --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:26, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, there's a link on my userpage where you can email me directly. I can confirm that Tracy Chapman's 'Crossroads' album is listed as being 2x platinum in Gavin Ryan's book (I think I added that, or at least the reference, to her discography page). Neither 'The Bridge' nor 'The Kick Inside' appear in Gavin Ryan's book, but could have been certified more-recently than 2010 - in which case, they'd be listed in The ARIA Reports archived on the Pandora Archive.  Gavin Ryan's book does not list weekly charts, but lists entry date, peak position, weeks in top 10/50/100, and exit date for each entry, as well as any certification the release received.Nqr9 (talk) 04:34, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Alrighty! Thank you for sharing the PDF copy. I'm working through articles that have "no certyear was provided for australian certification". Did I cite the book correctly as in I'm Ready (Tevin Campbell album)? I used the Ryan template per above. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:51, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me.Nqr9 (talk) 04:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Bug when coupled with Certification Cite Ref
On The Joshua Tree, I can't seem to fix a certification reference created by this template that I am trying to reuse with Certification Cite Ref. Specifically, it is for the United Kingdom, for the 9x platinum certification - all other regions for which I am creating a table entry and then re-using the certification ref in the article body work fine. The reference itself displays an error that says "Cite error: Invalid tag; name "United KingdomU2The Joshua TreealbumCertRef" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page)." I have followed all the specifications outlined by the documentation for the aforementioned templates, but am still encountering the error, leading me to suspect there is a bug. Can someone help me out? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 23:19, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it's cause they don't have all of the exact same parameters comparing ref 162a with ref 162b. I came across that error when I tried to reuse a ref at Yeah (Joe Nichols song). --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 05:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Corrected. You can use the  parameter when you create the Certification Table Entry and then use that in the article prose. No need to use Certification Cite Ref. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b>  [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 09:28, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 06:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Promusicae (Spain)
It seems the template needs to be corrected for Spain's singles certification-levels for titles released before November 1, 2005. The single Voyage, voyage has been certified 2x Platinum in Spain in 1987, but the template shows 40,000 units. The Platinum was 50,000 and Gold was 25,000. At the moment template isn't programmed to bring up those levels. In fact, it seems the template isn't programmed to bring up correct levels for singles released after April 1, 2007 and before January 1, 2009 either when the certification-levels were Gold=10,000, Platinum=25,000.--Harout72 (talk) 19:13, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look next weekend (or earlier if I somehow find the time). --Muhandes (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Some questions, if you happen to be familiar with these certifications:
 * Productores de Música de España states that both singles and albums had to sell 100,000 copies to qualify for a Gold disk, the only certification awarded at the time. Do we know until when this level was active?
 * Is it true that the levels for single Platinum were 25,000 only from April 1, 2007 until January 1, 2008, with 20,000 before and after that date?
 * --Muhandes (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The 100,000 level for singles was the level before Promusicae took over the operations, we shouldn't worry about that. As for the 25,000 and 10,000 units for Platinum and Gold respectively, those levels were active between April 1, 2007 and December 31, 2008 for physical singles, it seems (I had to double check here). The levels for physical maxi singles are posted under "Singles", not "Songs". However, since January 1, 2008, separate levels were also available for Digital Downloads as well as for Original Tones at Platinum=20,000, Gold=10,000. Since January 1, 2009, the Original Tones and Digital Downloads were Platinum=40,000, Gold=20,000 as the two formats were combined. At that time, Promusicae had stopped posting the songs under Singles (Maxi singles/physical single). I'm guessing the production for physical singles was abandoned.--Harout72 (talk) 19:03, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. For Digital Downloads/ OriginalTones set digital=true. --Muhandes (talk) 14:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a note, since all single certifications in Spain are digital, this change added about a hundred articles to Category:Pages using Certification Table Entry-Sales with missing information. The solution is to set digital=true for all single certifications since 2009. Since all certifications after 2009 are digital, I decided it will not be necessary to mention this for certifications from 2009. Only with certifications before 2009 is there a distinction in levels. I hope this is not too confusing. --Muhandes (talk) 15:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Spain, I don't think the id parameter is working. See for example Michael Jackson's This Is It (album). The id parameter isn't piping to the PDF file. Did i do it wrong? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:03, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems like the id parameter is not supported since done in 2014. The change was not related to the documentation here. The documentation at cite certification is wrong too since  was not documented either. The way it works, certyear is the year you search and from some reason certmonth is the week. This is a bit unorthodox, but I suppose it does the work. I'll update the documentation. --Muhandes (talk) 20:29, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. Thanks for checking into it! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:32, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Belguim 2007 singles certification broken link
Just a heads up that the 2007 belgium singles certification isn't working (has a error code on it). There's an archived available here. I've emailed BEA to let them know about the issue. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that while going over Category:Pages using Certification Table Entry-Sales with missing information. I can set the template to use the archived page in this specific case, but it feels like to much effort for such a singular issue. --Muhandes (talk) 08:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I just got an email from ultratop saying their technical support is looking into it. So, no need to add the archive :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I just checked today and it's up and running. I archived it just in case ;) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 06:37, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Philippines unsupported
Hello. I've tried to fix DJP (album) but I can't get it to work. I've tried using all parameters but it says UNSUPPORTED OR EMPTY REGION: Philippines. However, the Certification_Table_Entry has Philippines as one of the supported regions. I was wondering why this was the case. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, Philippines was never supported by the template., added it to the documentation. However, as far as I can see it was not added to the code in any way. Perhaps Puchicatos would like to comment. For now I removed it from the documentation. --Muhandes (talk) 15:32, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. For DJP it is certified by the Philippine Association of the Record Industry see here. Alternativelly, there are many certifications in Category:Certification Table Entry usages for unsupported region. Some with obivous errors like 1 (Beatles album) but others like Beyoncé (album) where there is no obvious error on the page until you dig deeper into each template. I don't know which of these unsupported regions in this category would be beneficial to add/remove. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:53, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * If someone needs a certification added, and consensus is that it is valid, I'll add it. I'm not adding certifications to articles any more, so this is just done on demand. r--Muhandes (talk) 07:11, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The PARI url given above by MrLinkinPark seems valid and the certifications also seem legitimate. We can maybe have a supported region for Philippines Muhandes? — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 09:27, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, if it is going to be used I'd be happy to add it. --Muhandes (talk) 11:48, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The article Philippine Association of the Record Industry is unclear about some facts. First, it lacks sources about certification levels prior to October 2007 and the details are unclear. Second, it is unclear whether certifications thresholds are by date of release or date of certification, though I tend towards the latter. Help appreciated. --Muhandes (talk) 14:42, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * can you help about this? I could not find anything about PARI. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 15:56, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The earliest certification-levels for Philippines that I have access to is here for 2005 (see page 23), Platinum=30,000, Gold=15,000. Those seem to be the levels for both international repertoire and domestic. And then we have their levels posted on IFPI 2007, IFPI 2008, IFPI 2009, IFPI 2010, IFPI 2011, 2012, IFPI 2013. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Philippines' music market as size wise it's only one third of New Zealand's music market.--Harout72 (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * So if I understand correctly, we have no source before 2005? I saw some websites claiming 20,000 for Gold and 40,000 for Platinum until 2002, but none of them seemed reliable. --Muhandes (talk) 11:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I personally don't know of any sources before 2005 for their levels.--Harout72 (talk) 15:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I found this source which verifies 20,000 for Gold and 40,000 for Platinum in 1999. If this is reliable, 40,000/20,000 was active until the mid 2000s. We already know 15,000/30,000 was active in 2005 and this source shows it was active as early as July 2004. I think it is safe to say "mid 2000s" means at least until 2002, so we are uncertain only about 2003 and a few months in 2004. This only affects seven albums, so I think I'll go ahead and implement it. --Muhandes (talk) 13:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , There is a contradiction I spotted. While this source seems reliable, which states that the levels for Platinum=40,000, Gold=20,000 were active until mid 2000s, the album Revive by Gary Valenciano which is from 2000 is certified 6x Platinum for 180,000 units (30,000 x 6=180,000) according to this source. So, that kind of confuses things. If the Platinum=40,000 was active until mid 2000s, how can an album released in 2000 be certified with the Platinum level (30,000) that became active in mid 2000s? Unless they apply the newer, most recent levels to all newly certified albums/singles regardless of their release dates. Also, according to this article, the levels were dropped to Platinum=15,000, Gold=7,500 in 2013, but the IFPI 2012 has already those levels for Philippines. Maybe that's not a source we can rely on as far as certification-levels go.--Harout72 (talk) 18:42, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * For the first contradiction, my understanding is that indeed they apply the newer, most recent levels to all newly certified albums regardless of their release dates. For the second issue, I assume they were quoting the official page which says As of 2013, we are using the following standards: Gold Record Award for 7,500 units sold, Platinum Record Award for 15,000 units sold, and Diamond Record Award for 150,000 units sold. --Muhandes (talk) 19:18, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * They might be applying their newer/recent certification-levels to all regardless of release dates. After all, that is also practiced by others, so it's not that odd.--Harout72 (talk) 19:22, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

✅


 * You can use e.g.: Jose Mari Chan's album Constant Change was the first album to be certified Diamond in Philippines.


 * You can use

This will report "0" sales from 2003 to March 2004, though this is only relevant to one or two albums:


 * }

--Muhandes (talk) 12:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Usage examples Hulog Ka Ng Langit, Constant Change, What I Do Best.--Muhandes (talk) 13:03, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Australian accrediations before 1988
Hello again. I'm searching for articles that have accreditation before 1988 that are currently pointing to ARIA i.e. "ARIA Charts – Accreditations – 1980". The reason why is because Ryan's book goes from 1988-1997 (with some exceptions) and ARIA has 1997 onwards. Problem is, I'm finding albums/songs before 1988 that claim to be accredited in Australia but are not in Ryan's book nor ARIA. Of the ones I've found, 9 of them have the error page NO certyear was provided for Australian Certification and has the category Cite certification used with missing parameters. However, others like The Kick Inside and Turbo (Judas Priest album) have a false link to ARIA and Ryan doesn't have the year covered. I was wondering if all of these certifications that can't currently be confirmed be pointed into one error category. That way, when we do find a source that covers these years, these ones can be rechecked. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:31, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * there definitely were certifications awarded in Australia in the pre-ARIA years, but I don't know who were responsible for awarding them... this might be another one to ask Nqr9 about. I suspect the only place to find these certifications might be on the Kent Report chart sheets produced at the time. I do know that some Australian chart followers consider the early certifications to be somewhat dubious. Richard3120 (talk) 00:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep. has generously sent me a copy of the first ARIA report that'd help fix the citation for The Miracle (album) and Batman (album) and also has other certifications from July-December 1989. As for Kent Report, Nrq9 has also sent me a 1983 Kent Report that has certifications from 1982. Both sources would be very helpful as Ryan doesn't have these two albums (despite both from 1989) and Ryan doesn't cover 1982 as his years are from 1988-2010. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:28, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any published source for pre-1989 ARIA certifications other than what I have already sent via email. I did not take the photos of the Kent Music Report form February 1989 listing gold and platinum certifications from 1982 - somebody who photographed all of the Kent/Australian Music Reports housed in the National Library of Australia sent me those; though I am not sure that he photographed every page within every report.  There were no similar listings of other years I saw among the files he sent me.  One other issue is that the levels for gold and platinum pre-1989 were different - from memory, it was 50k for gold and 100k for platinum for singles prior to then, and 25k for gold and 50k for platinum for albums.  The 1983 Kent Music Report listings I sent  specify this.  However, albums/singles re-certified after 1988 have the standard 35k gold/70k platinum for both singles and albums.Nqr9 (talk) 12:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay I guess I'll leave the Kent Report certifications alone for now as it has different certification levels than the Australia certification template currently supports. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Australian video gold certification question
Hello. I added a gold certifcation for Live in Texas (Linkin Park album) and it gave me 17,500 sales. This confuses me as ARIA says it's 7,500 for a video/dvd. Since 2006, the gold level for DVDs was 7,500. I can't confirm if this is the case as this DVD was certified in 2004. Also, if I change the certyear to 2006 (without saving), it still says 17,500.--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! you are the very first editor to use this feature and actually look at the resulting number... This error has been with us since I created this template in January 2011, so almost 8 years, and no one noticed it. It is now fixed, thanks for actually looking at the numbers. --Muhandes (talk) 13:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't take credit for it as it was mentioned in the archive as well before I began working with you on these templates. I found the error now but noticed that it was found earlier. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, this is from my long hiatus, no wonder I missed it. --Muhandes (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

2018 dvd certification australia
Hello. I just got an email from ARIA saying that there were no 2018 DVD certifications for Australia. Thought I should let you know in case someone comes across the ARIA website and notices that there is no link for 2018 DVDs. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Just out of interest, have you asked ARIA why they don't publish certifications from 1989 to 1996 on their website? Richard3120 (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope. I asked on australian-charts (haven't checked). But since you asked, I might as well check too. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Poland links are broken
Hi I think we need to update Certification Cite/URL for Poland as currently it does not work for 2018 and 2019. The code change required is given below: AS IS |Poland=http://bestsellery.zpav.pl/wyroznienia/plyty//archiwum.php?year={{#switch:{{{certyear|}}}||2017=2017| TO BE: |Poland=http://bestsellery.zpav.pl/wyroznienia/{{#switch:{{{award|}}}||Gold=zlote|Platinum=platynowe|Diamond=diamentowe}}plyty/{{#switch:{{{type|}}}|album=cd|video=dvd|cd}}/archiwum.php?year={{#switch:{{{certyear|}}}||2019=2019|2018=2018|2017=2017|

— I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> {{sup|[ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ]}} 15:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * {{re|User:IndianBio}} {{Done}} I have no idea why the code is written in this awkward way, pinging {{u|Xxvid}} who {{diff|Template:Certification Cite/URL|626478249|622782948|made this edit in 2014}} maybe they can explain. Perhaps they didn't know it can be done much more simply. For now I simplified it so it wont require an edit every year (unless one really cares about the default value). --Muhandes (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks lot. You are the best! — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> {{sup|[ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ]}} 19:42, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Corrections to the Brazilian certification implemented
Just FYI to whomever cares, the Brazilian certification now supports and also  for albums (singles were always digital). Have fun. --Muhandes (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

FIMI certification
Hi guys FIMI certification url has changed to this. We need to update Certification Cite/URL template. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 13:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * did the format stay the same? --Muhandes (talk) 10:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * no the URL is generic now, and we need to add a note guiding the editors to put and  in respective boxes. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b>  [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 11:15, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem, added to my TDL. --Muhandes (talk) 11:25, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. You can see how the note guide looks at Template:Cite certification/testcases and let me know if you had something else in mind. --Muhandes (talk) 10:21, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Nocert parameter
Hi and all other participants, I was wondering about the   parameter which we use when there is no certification but just the sales. The parameter keeps an empty box under the certification column (seen here in A Star Is Born certification section for Ireland). I was wondering would it be possible that whenever this parameter is invoked, instead of the empty box under the certification column it can replace it with the n/a template which greys it out? What are your thoughts? — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 13:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That'd be interesting to use n/a. I'd also would like to discover which articles are currently using nocert parameter to determine if the missing information is actually available or not. Maybe an accompanying category? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:44, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be against the use of "n/a". I suspect the majority of them are either Japanese or French sales figures, and usually for older singles. The editor Dhoffryn has been adding all the sales figures he can find from the French InfoDisc site, although I have told him that the website clearly states that the figures are just estimates by the website's founders, and therefore not official sales figures and shouldn't be included. Richard3120 (talk) 01:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I'm also curious about others ones like Denmark for example and whatever else that has an accurate level and can safely remove nocert --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:26, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the n/a background color does not fit. Lets call this option 1:

! scope="row" | Japan
 * N/A
 * 66,666


 * I'm also not sure the term N/A fits, which is why I left it empty. Personally I prefer sdash, so lets call this option 2:

! scope="row" | Japan
 * 66,666
 * 66,666


 * But I can just an easily use N/A with correct background, which will be option 3:

! scope="row" | Japan
 * style="color: #2C2C2C; vertical-align: middle; font-size: smaller; text-align:center | N/A
 * 66,666


 * Or I can just leave it empty which will be option 4. Lets go for a quick vote. --Muhandes (talk) 18:53, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Option 1 or option 2 that's my thought is. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 10:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Option 2 or option 3 for me. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I prefer option 2 as well. Richard3120 (talk) 20:19, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Option 2 it is. Added to my TDL. --Muhandes (talk) 10:24, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅, added . --Muhandes (talk) 09:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I'm seeing if any of them actually have certs. So far, 1 fille & 4 types, 3 (Britney Spears song) and FourFiveSeconds don't but have respective salesrefs. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup
FYI, I finally cleaned and  and they should remain empty. --Muhandes (talk) 12:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Good job! — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 12:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Woot! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

IFPI Denmark
Hi, I've noticed that the IFPI in Denmark have recently updated their site, which now includes a node number and a url for every certification (example: A Star is Born "node number - 7959"). Is it possible to update the template to include the node number to the id parameter similar to the one you did to the UK BPI template? Thanks. Chihciboy (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This is much more useful, to be able to link directly to a song, instead of having to scroll through pages and pages to find the song you want. But the documentation will need to include a note to tell people that they need to search for the song first, and then click on the result in order to be able to find the required node number, because I can't see any other way of finding the node number that you want. Richard3120 (talk) 02:03, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I assume the intention is that the id= parameter will be used for the node ID. Added to my TDL, hopefully later today I'll have some time. --Muhandes (talk) 07:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hang on, where does in the link it shows the certification? The only thing I can see in that url is . Am I missing where the certification is listed? — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b>  [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 10:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It says "Guld". --Muhandes (talk) 10:22, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, missed that. Now how do we find out the nodes to populate in the  parameter? — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b>  [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 10:27, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Use the search e.g. Confessions On A Dancefloor. --Muhandes (talk) 10:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I just realized this same suggestion was made by, see Template talk:Certification Table Entry/Archive 4, and the end result was indecisive. do you actually intend to go over a significant number of pages and use the node number? I would rather not spend time implementing a feature which is not going to be used extensively. If it is just a few page you can always use the certref parameter. --Muhandes (talk) 10:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not willing to go over again on so many pages. I would say keep it as it is, but if someone wants to use the node, can we keep a provision atleast? Like if the id= parameter is used then the url should generate in the format of http://ifpi.dk/node/ and if no id parameter then the generic certifringer url. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 10:45, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the number of nodes and there are 105 pages in the Certificeringer so far, and each one has like 40 entries on it (that's like 4200 entries from 2011). And each entry is based on the certification level given instead of the record itself (so there are like two or more entries per album/song). This will be exhausting, so I'm all for just a provision. But will changing the  parameter affect the ones relying on the Hitlisten archives (even though not all certified records were able to chart in there)? Chihciboy (talk) 11:17, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course it would be provisional, in the way IndianBio mentioned. The question is, why implement it at all, if no one will use it? --Muhandes (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Added the option to specify id and get the node URL. --Muhandes (talk) 15:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Austria certification URL
Hi, the austria certification link has changed to this url now. — I<b style="color: #FF033E;">B</b> [ <b style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC; color: #1C1CF0;">Poke</b> ] 09:47, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Muhandes (talk) 17:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Pages using Certification Table Entry-Sales with missing information
Hello. I'm going through this category and currently fixed The Boy Is Mine (song) and Complicated (Avril Lavigne song). For both, i added the relyear for norway and they dissappeared from the category. Problem is, according to the description of this category: "the sales listed are zero due to missing information, usually certification or release dates." Both of these pages did not have a sales amount as zero so I'm not sure why they were in this category. If the relyear was the issue, wouldnt the zero amount show up? I also checked the remaining 8 and only Party Rock Anthem had a zero amount. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:56, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * These are leftovers from the issue above and should disappear over time. --Muhandes (talk) 23:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Interestlingly, the other six just needed null edits for them to disappear. A few examples are Just Like a Pill, Lose Yourself and Dirrty. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Or waiting a while, they would have removed themselves. This is how automatic category population works. --Muhandes (talk) 00:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I see that for On Top of the World (Imagine Dragons song) the song was certified under streaming for the highest cert. I added |streaming=true to it, but it doesn't seem to make a difference? It's the first I've seen that norway had a streaming equivalanet. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, the plot thickens... It's the first for me too. With your permission, I'm copying this discussion to this one so we can keep the subject together. --Muhandes (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)