Template talk:Chinese currency and coinage/Archive 1

Requested move
Template:Chinese currency and coinage → Template:Mainland Chinese currency and coinage — The template was named "Mainland Chinese currency and coinage". User:Secrecy has been trying to move it to "Chinese currency and coinage" (POV). The same thing has happened to the content of Renminbi, which has been discussed at Talk:Renminbi, which goes on to the next section on the same talk page. User:Secrecy was unable to make a coherent argument why the word "mainland" should be removed. ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add    or     on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~ .  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) support (I am the nominator) --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

 * 1) Oppose; most of this template deals with currencies before any division between Chinas. Make it cover all currencies within China, and what's the problem? As far I can see this amounts to: Remove the word era from the ROC, since it still exists, and add the New Taiwan dollar. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment That would be POV because the Pan Green Coalition would oppose that. Even though I personally prefer your solution. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 15:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If we agree, let's not tell them ;-> It may be impossible to be acceptable to everyone. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Oppose I don't necessarily think current Taiwanese currency should be included, but this template covers currencies well before the term "mainland" came into being. No opinion on whether to remove the term "era" as the template is organized historically and the ROC was a distinct "era". SchmuckyTheCat 02:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 07:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Tibet, East-Turkestan, and Manchuria. 👲🏻👳🏻👲🏻
The reason I added these territories is because they both historically and currently for a part of China/Taiwan, during the Yuan dynasty the money of Tibet was regional money within the realm of the Great Khan, though Manchukuo was independent it did see itself as a continuation of the Qing dynasty, meanwhile many of the Tibetan and East-Turkestani coins were minted by the "Chinese"/"Taiwanese" government. It's not to get up in anyone's ire, nor is it a statement claiming that "Tibet, East-Turkestan, and Manchuria belong to China/Taiwan", it's simply organising non-Han currencies of modern China/Taiwan into the template. --1.55.181.2 (talk) 03:06, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Taiwan not China?
could you please explain this edit? As Taiwan is currently a part of the Republic of China it is "Chinese" as "Chinese" doesn't necessarily only refer to Mainland China. --Donald Trung (talk) 16:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Republic of China as "Taiwan" Vs. Taiwan
The term "Taiwan" here is the "WP:COMMONNAME" of the Republic of China", it does not refer to the island of Taiwan but the political entity which is China but referred to as "Taiwan". For example "Government of the Republic of China" but "President of Taiwan", different names for the same concept. --Donald Trung (talk) 09:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * , could you then properly articulate why the Modern Republic of China should be excluded and all of "Taiwan" (including the period of 1945 to 1948) if it's not about the Republic of China being a country or not. --Donald Trung (talk) 11:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

China in the Template is not equal to PRC
China in this Template refers to the geographical concept of China. Since this Template contains historical Chinese non-PRC regimes (such as Tang, Song, Yuan, Ming and Qing), it is appropriate to include the Republic of China (Taiwan). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ho Pak-chuen (talk • contribs) 09:21, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I'll refrain from making further edits to this template in respect to the ROC situation. But I saw that the edits by were reverted and no reason given. It seems kind of odd to exclude the Republic of China from "China", this would be like stating that "when people talk about "Korea" they mean South Korea so we should exclude North Korea from General templates about Korea". If and when Taiwan declares itself to no longer be a part of China its exclusion from that point would make sense, but to exclude it while the Republic of China was still legally recognised by half or most of the world as "the only China" until the 1970's would be disingenuous to claim that it stopped being "China" in 1949. --Donald Trung (talk) 06:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)