Template talk:Complete timeline of Mac models

Timeline Edits
Anyone else having a problem making edits to timelines? Any edit I make, no matter how small, on a Macintosh using Firefox or Safari 3.1.2 results in a bargraph without superimposed text links.--Mac128 (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

12" Powerbook -> 13" MacBook Aluminium
Look at the previous and current line-up:

Plastic 12" -> Plastic 13" Plastic 14" -> No larger plastic Aluminium 12" -> Aluminium 13" Aluminium 15" -> Aluminium 15" Aluminium 17" -> Aluminium 17"

It makes much more sense for the 13" Alu to succeed the 12" Alu than the 14" plastic. Also, the current Alu MacBook mimics the price boost and feature boost over the plastic MacBook that the 12" Powerbook had over the 12" iBook. Sir Stig (talk) 04:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Reverted back. This is your own personal and ARBITRARY OPINION. Apple's OFFICIAL marketing designation is to group it with the MacBook's and NOT the MacBook Pros. This is the way every Apple article is handled throughout Wiki concerning Apple. It is the only way to avoid confusion. Whether you think it belongs in the same family as the MacBook Pros, because it ALSO happens to be aluminum is completely irrelevant. What happens when Apple discontinues ALL plastic MacBooks? There will still be two main categories of portables derived from similar marketing lines. Finally, for this timeline as in most, vertical orientation takes precedence over horizontal. If this were not true, the timelines would be hundreds of rows long as one model was discontinued and not replaced with a newer equivalent over the last 30 years. Take a look at the timeline. People have been trying very hard to keep the table compact while providing a logical thread to group various models together based on Apple's marketing philosophy. You'll note that the iMac & mini evolves from the all-in-one and LC lines. The MacPro from the Quadras, the MacBook from the Duos and consumer oriented PB 190 & PB 1400, while the MacBook Pros evolve from the higher end 5300 & 3400 series. Bottom line, Apple's marketing TRUMPS anything else as that is the only way the average reader has anyway to relate. If you have a citation from Apple specifically grouping the the aluminum MacBook with the MacBook Pro, then provided it and I will acquiesce.--Mac128 (talk) 18:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if that is the case, it does not belong as the successor to the large iBook. Sir Stig (talk) 21:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Stig, you are missing the biggest point here: The table is limited as to the number of lines it can accommodate. Just because the MB Aluminum picks up several years after the large iBook was discontinued, does not mean it is the successor (though it has more in common with the large iBook than it does with the 12" PowerBook G4). All of the timelines in Wiki are oriented vertically first and foremost and related models branch off up or down as space allows. I don't know how to make that any more clear to you as this timeline and others have been around a long time and no-one has ever had this problem before where other such similar unavoidable incongruent alignments exist. Nevertheless, it is moot as the MacBook has been re-branded as the 13" MacBook Pro today. That does not however, discount that the Aluminum MacBook was previously the high-end MacBook model to the White plastic one – these are totally different Macs with the 13" MBP model adding an SD card slot, FW 800 & MBP max. RAM. Simply because they were both Aluminum does not make them similar (the white MacBook had more in common with the aluminum MBP than the aluminum MacBook). Therefore, the MacBook Aluminum has been discontinued where it belongs and the MacBook Pro 13" has been added where it belongs.--Mac128 (talk) 18:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

No Include See Also?
I've restored the "See also section" which was not showing in the Macintosh Timeline. Is there a reason we don't want this to show in the article?--Mac128 (talk) 22:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)