Template talk:Country data Afghanistan

1974
Could an administrator please change Image:NF 1974 - 1978.jpg to Image:Flag of Afghanistan 1974.svg in the 1974 alias? The former got deleted. Thanks. Orange Tuesday (talk) 00:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ -CapitalR (talk) 01:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

1928
Could someone please change Image:NF 9 1928 - 1929.jpg to the SVG image Image:Flag of Afghanistan 1928-1929.svg. Thanking in advance. -- DWR talk  21:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 21:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Various Years
Could an administrator please change Image:NF 10 1929 - 1931.jpg to Image:Flag of Afghanistan 1929 to 1930.svg, Image:NF 1978 - 1980.jpg to Image:Flag of Afghanistan 1978 to 1979.svg, and create a new alias with 1921 as the name and Image:Flag of Afghanistan (1921-1928).svg as the image? Thank you in advance. Orange Tuesday (talk) 23:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 23:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

SVG images
editprotected

Can an administrator please make the following replacements on this template?


 * File:Afghanistan flag 1919.png with File:Flag of Afghanistan (1919-1928).svg
 * File:Afghanistan Flag 1928.jpg with File:Flag of Afghanistan 1928.svg
 * File:Flag of Afghanistan 1980.svg with File:Flag of Afghanistan (1979-1987).svg
 * File:Flag of Afghanistan 1987.png with File:Flag of Afghanistan (1987).svg
 * and File:Flag of Afghanistan 1992 free.png with File:Flag of Afghanistan (1992-1996; 2001).svg

Thanks in advance. Orange Tuesday (talk) 19:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not an expert on Afghanistan flags, however, I see a couple of issues...


 * File:Flag of Afghanistan 1992 free.png is a different colour (gold) centre than File:Flag of Afghanistan (1992-1996; 2001).svg (yellow), neither seem to agree with the one on (mainly gold with yellow spiral wrap)
 *  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:11, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not done, because there are visual changes. Please come to an agreement about what the proper flags are and then re enable the editrequest. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 20:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I know the exact shade of yellow/gold in the 1992 flag was never specified, so either one could be correct. It looks like the shade in the svg was taken from a CIA world factbook image though so it should be as good as any. And the emblem on the old "1980" svg is a poor drawing based on this mspaint-y image from FOTW . The "(1979-1987)" version is much closer to what the actual flag would have looked looked like.  Orange Tuesday (talk) 21:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Two missing SVG-Flags
Those flags are still JPG/PNG, you should also make a SVG: --Antemister (talk) 14:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Correction: There is a svg-version for, that: , but it has a totally wrong name, so the flag is hard to find. According to , the flag was in use from 1901 to 1919. The file should be renamed--Antemister (talk) 14:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Issue solved, SVGs avaible --Antemister (talk) 12:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki
Please add ro:Format:Country data Afganistan. Thank you.  Daniel  Message 18:09, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Just a note though, this particular had a documentation subpage (the green-shaded lower portion of the template page) which you can add the interwiki links to.  See Template:Country data Afghanistan/doc for the doc subpage for this template.  Thanks! Rjd0060 (talk) 02:41, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

2004-2013
Where's the 2004-2013 flag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.255.180.75 (talk) 18:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Afghanistan. Cabayi (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 January 2019
Replace the current code with this one, it will remove the flag just based on the shade used in pictures in the CIA World Factbook that is not an official or even real change to the flag used by Afghanistan, it should not be included and especially not linked to a specific year. The historical accuracy has also been adjusted in regards to what year they were adopted as there were several mistakes before and missing variant put in. see Flag of Afghanistan. I have pasted the new code below, enter edit mode I have checked and made sure that the years will produce no errors, they are using flag|Kingdom of Afghanistan, so there will be no problems with this change

--Havsjö (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done SiBr4 (talk ) 18:15, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Text changed by bot here

Change main flag to Taliban flag
Following the last updates, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is using the 🇦🇫 Afghanistan flag as the official one. Should we change it? -Theklan (talk) 22:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Taliban has not made a government yet, or defined what the flag of their state is. We should update this template once sources support a change. CMD (talk) 01:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like they adopted a differently new flag: 2021 flag --Ram Roldan (talk) 15:39, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I note that flag is already up for deletion. My personal expectation is that when there is a full and complete declaration of a new government, this will include a representative flag which would presumably also represent the state. An interim solution might be to have this template default to showing no flag for the moment, which might reduce the pre-emptive removal of this template across various articles. CMD (talk) 03:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd support that interim solution, especially considering that the Afghanistan article already displays no flag. This should hopefully also cut down on the number of editors trying to manually change the Afghani flag to the Taliban one by adding Taliban to flagicon  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 23:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Is now more of an appropriate time for such a request considering the announcement of the new government? The main article for Afghanistan appears to have reached a consensus. 180app (talk) 15:35, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm leaning more towards that, although even on the main page we still don't have a high quality specific source regarding the flag (and coat of arms). CMD (talk) 15:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If were are to take the Taliban's word, it appears no changes have been made to the flag since the duration of the conflict even. There are some variants with text added, but the official one appears to still be the Shahada with the white background. In any case, we'll have to wait for a specific announcement regarding the flag's specifications. 180app (talk) 16:32, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

On further procedural notes, I suppose a new 2021 alias should be created to duplicate the Taliban alias. There is also the question of what to do with existing uses. They could either all be mass changed to the 2013 alias, leaving changing to the theoretical new flag as a manual job, or all be changed which means inserting 2013 will be the manual job. My assumption (with no data at all) is that the most common use of flag templates would be sports articles, in which case a mass conversion beforehand seems the better option. CMD (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC on main flag
Now that consensus has been reached to use only the IEA flag in the Afghanistan article (consensus link), which flag should be the main one here?
 * IEA flag, making the IRA flag a variant
 * IRA flag, keeping the Taliban flag as a variant ― Tartan357  Talk 01:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Survey

 * That link goes to a discussion that was closed with no action. There has been no specific discussion on the IEA flag on Talk:Afghanistan, let alone consensus on it. However, please do contribute to the discussion above. CMD (talk) 01:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Link corrected. ― Tartan357  Talk 01:48, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IEA flag, making the IRA flag a variant Chetsford (talk) 17:19, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IEA flag, making the IRA flag a variant. Heitordp (talk) 13:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IEA flag, making the IRA flag a variant. It's the easiest course of action for the flag templates, since the Taliban variant is being used more often than the default now that the IRA has effectively ceased to exist. ― Tartan357  Talk 23:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IEA flag, per other users' reasoning. --Jfruh (talk) 20:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IEA flag, agree with all things posted above. Also, it is super annoying having to update older articles still using the defunct IRA flag. The IRA no longer exists, so it's flag should be treated as a variant like other historic ones. We need to keep up-to-date with things like flags! ThatDohDude (talk) 04:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The tricolour flag remains in wide current use around the world. CMD (talk) 05:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It represents a state that doesn't exist anymore. ― Tartan357  Talk 06:23, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No, the state has not changed. It represents Afghanistan, and is used as such. CMD (talk) 06:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We are each using different (and acceptable) definitions of "state". You are using the term as a shorthand for "sovereign state". I am using its pure meaning. See Sovereign state and State (polity). I am using the term to refer to the organization, which I think you would call a government. With semantics out of the way, this is my point: While there are many other aspects of this country data template that are unrelated to government, the flag is not one of those. Flags are government symbols. And we should not be using a former government symbol when the consensus has moved on at the country's article. We have a situation now where editors are having to manually change the flag to the Taliban variant all across the project; that is just busywork that we should not be prolonging just to appease editors who are unhappy with the reality of the situation. ― Tartan357  Talk 07:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * National flags are used to represent states. They can continue through changes in government, or change within the same government. There is also no guarantee it will be used as the flag elsewhere, as it was in the Paralympics, and which we have an actual example of for the previous period of rule. There is no strong consensus regarding the flag on the Afghanistan page, and there is no reason editors have to go around manually changing anything. The lack of such a consensus to point to is a reason there should be a discussion on a topic before an RfC is started. CMD (talk) 15:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Chipmunkdavis, your logic here is that we should keep the tricolor flag as it's more widely accepted and in use far more than the current Taliban variant. I understand that logic, however, here we should be striving for consistency and down-to-earth information. We've already reached consensus on the Afghanistan article regarding it's flag and government, and we've chosen to recognize the current de-facto situation. I think that we also wanted this to be stemmed out into changing the country template flags too. It is extremely inconsistent to have the main Wikipedia article of Afghanistan use the shahada flag meanwhile the country data template use the tricolor variant. If we are choosing to keep the tricolor as the Afghanistan template flag, then why don't we convert that into a variant and make it so the main Afghanistan flag would be the shahada variant, kind of like how it is right now, but reversed. ThatDohDude (talk) 00:49, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My logic is that we should reflect WP:Reliable sources on the matter (not a single source has been given in this RfC), and I wish this canard about the flag finding some sort of consensus on Afghanistan would cease as it has not been seriously discussed there. CMD (talk) 01:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What kind of source are you looking for? This is a discussion about what is most useful to have as the default presentation for a Wikipedia template. It's a technical matter and not one where sources are going to be helpful. I don't think anyone is disputing that both the IEA and IRA flags exist (if so, sources can be provided for that). And consensus was reached to make the Afghanistan article about the Islamic Emirate; that was decided in a closed RfC. Given that conclusion, how would the IRA flag still be used in that article? That suggestion makes no sense. ― Tartan357  Talk 04:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sources that say something along the line of "This is the flag of Afghanistan: Flag of the Taliban.svg", as is proposed here, in the best case a compelling balance of reliable sources saying so. CMD (talk) 12:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The following sources were created after the fall of Kabul:, , , , . ― Tartan357  Talk 00:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Those sources are good examples of the flag not yet being shown as the flag of Afghanistan, as they all don't call it that. Most just say the Taliban raised their flag, which we know and which specifically doesn't call it the flag of Afghanistan. The closest is Al Jazeera, which states "intends to replace the Afghan national flag with their white banner", suggesting this replacement has not taken place yet. The Diplo source even specifically contrasts the Taliban flag with the "Afghani national flag". CMD (talk) 00:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The Al Jazeera source ends with "The Taliban reintroduces its white banner", and the Diplo source refers to the IRA flag as "the nation’s once official flag". The sources clearly establish that the Taliban are using this flag as a symbol of their government. We don't need to wait for them to put out a press release declaring it "the flag of Afghanistan", and I doubt they intend to govern in such a formal manner. I have nothing more to say on the matter. ― Tartan357  Talk 01:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't need an official press release from the Taliban, we need to reflect decent WP:RS in a WP:DUE and non-WP:SYNTH manner. CMD (talk) 01:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No synth involved. Those sources each directly state (on their own) that the Taliban are using this flag, and they are all RS. ― Tartan357  Talk 02:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * They do indeed state the Taliban is using this flag. CMD (talk) 02:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Right, and that's the only factual matter we need to establish here, since we've already arrived at a consensus to treat the Islamic Emirate as the government of Afghanistan on Wikipedia. ― Tartan357  Talk 02:18, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The question at hand is "which flag should be the main one here". The above sources clearly avoid saying the Taliban flag is (and one calls the tricolour the national flag), and we should not "reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source". CMD (talk) 02:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd say the Taliban flag should be the main one. At least from a realistic standpoint, it's the best option here. If the only legitimate reason not to do it is because some people aren't going to be happy, well, then the problem isn't the country data change, but the main article change. Matter of fact is, we've already reached formal consensus regarding that matter and votes for an IEA-aligned article won by a landslide. Like I said previously, we should keep consistency and if we're going to change the main article to be IEA-aligned, then why are we not changing this? If there are any arguments regarding why we shouldn't be updating the flag here, then that conversation should be taken over to the main article's talk page. My point is that this article should have consistency with the main Afghanistan page, and I'm not really here to argue whether or not Wikipedia should keep the Taliban flag. However, I personally think the IEA flag should be chosen to represent Afghanistan and my arguments to why I think this way can be found in this discussion. ThatDohDude (talk) 00:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The IEA flag, is now the flag of Afghanistan. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Did no-one think about the impact before doing this change? Thousands of articles relating to Afghanistan from 2013 to August 2021 are now displaying the wrong flag, because they use the country data. Surely before making this breaking change, people should have agreed a cleanup mechanism e.g. a bot, that would make sure that articles from that should be using the IRA flag. This has for example literally broken hundreds of sports articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought about it in the section above and made one suggestion, but unfortunately this RfC was not linked to that discussion, and from what I can tell the change wasn't linked to this RfC. CMD (talk) 11:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Revert change as WP:DISRUPTIVE and causing damages to thousands of articles unrelated to Afghanistan under this flag. Wikipedia has no deadline, but by jumping into this change, it has caused a lot of disruption, as loads of articles for Afghanistan 2013-mid-2021 are now disrupted by the incorrect flag. This level of inconvenience, and apparent expectation for people to just "fix it themselves manually" is not acceptable. Joseph2302</b> (talk) 14:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not uncommon for national flags to change, though usually not for such a dramatic reason as this one. What is the normal procedure for dealing with that? --Jfruh (talk) 16:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, although it's true that the flag update broke a few articles that were specially forwarded towards the government from 2013-2021 such as the sovereign states article, the amount of inconsistency that would be caused from not updating the flag would be far larger as far more articles should be using the IEA flag as opposed to the IRA flag. Due to this, I'd say that it's easier to have the IEA flag as the main one and the IRA flag as a variant. ThatDohDude (talk) 20:11, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I was the one who updated the flag. I did it after seeing that stub notices had the incorrect flag, which especially looked out of place on current Afghan government articles. I didn't even see these discussions before making the change, since I thought it was uncontroversial, since the Afghan flag was agreed to be updated at the Afghanistan article, and as it turns out from the majority support of the change here, it mostly was uncontroversial. has made the argument that the update broke thousands of articles, especially sports articles, but I had a look through the transclusions, and almost all of the first few hundred turned out to be better off with the update. I checked a few popular articles specifically about the state from 2013 to 2021 (the period of the previous template flag), and the few I checked had the correct flag, mostly by having specified Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (since the state is notoriously always changing). As I've also mentioned, not updating the flag was also leading to many broken/inaccurate templates, like the stub notices. It would help if  or someone else provided some examples to show why updating broke enough articles to make the number of articles that it fixed not matter. I'm not going to persist if someone does revert the update, though.  · • SUM1 • ·    (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The fifth and sixth articles in the transclusion list are Foreign relations of Azerbaijan and Foreign relations of Armenia, both situations in which the tricolour likely remains in use and more appropriate. There are plenty of similar issues within the first 50 (the taliban flag is not used at the Asian Development Bank), plus any sports articles (which is what brought this to Joseph2302's attention). A stub tag is not broken if it has a different image, and is far less important than actual article content. There has also not been an agreement on the flag in the main Afghanistan article. The openness to revert statement is also a bit hard to take at face value as you made this edit using your WP:Template editor credentials, unavailable to the vast majority. CMD (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For a start, all the articles in Category:Afghanistan in international cricket and Category:Afghan cricket tours abroad (plus subcats). Plus lots of generic cricket lists which have players listed with Afghanistan flag- the Afghanistan cricket board still use the "old" flag, so any use of the Taliban flag is incorrect. And lots of them have been manually fixed, but it's a massive job to do it for every sports article, there is discussion at WT:SPORTS about it (as well as at WT:FOOTY and WT:CRIC, who both agree those sports shouldn't use the Taliban flag). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 06:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And all athletes in Category:Summer Olympics competitors for Afghanistan, as the Taliban flag has never been used at the Olympics, only the tricolour. It's easy to find issues, but it needs someone to fix them. Which sould have been considered before making this change.... <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Unrelated to which flag to use from now on, someone should do a clean-up (probably using AWB) and make sure that articles where the tricolour should be used are indeed using the tricolour... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 16 September 2021
Please create the following template:

Template armed forces link to Afghan Armed Forces (probably by creating the parameter link alias-military, to result in )

Sundostund (talk) 19:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:48, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Sundostund (talk) 11:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 01:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Include a convenient copy/paste of IRA flag
Please include the following examples, so less markup savvy people can copy/paste the prior flag for convenience.

~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What they should be doing is providing an organised way to fix every article about Afghanistan 2013-mid-2021 before changing this template..... Rather than just telling people to fix it themselves. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:27, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 6 December 2021
Change the main flag link to File:Flag of the Taliban.svg. WP:NOTBROKEN may apply, but I think the actual file name should be the one displayed in the documentation. ― Tartan357  Talk 05:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅.  P.I. Ellsworth &numsp;- ed.  put'r there 14:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 April 2022
Please add the state flag of the Islamic Emirate (File:Flag of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.svg) as a variant. ― Tartan357  Talk 02:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅.  P.I. Ellsworth &numsp;- ed.  put'r there 20:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 April 2022
Please add the 2013 flag as aliases for football and cricket. It is still used by the national teams, FIFA and the ICC as the current flag:

...

Aleph Kaph (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅.  P.I. Ellsworth &numsp;- ed.  put'r there 17:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 14 April 2022
After | altlink = please add | altvar =

It is needed so that the football and cricket variants are automatically used by Template:Fb and Template:Cr.

Aleph Kaph (talk) 00:28, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 00:53, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit request 29 October 2022
Three flag files used here have been deleted from Commons. Can we get them removed/replaced? Sumanuil. 22:26, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'r there 02:08, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 31 October 2022
Add the following: flag alias-1974 = Flag of Afghanistan (1974–1978).svg flag alias-1978 = Flag of Afghanistan (1978–1980).svg flag alias-1987 = Flag of Afghanistan (1987–1992).svg var11 = 1974 var12 = 1978 var15 = 1987 Move other "var"s so that they fit chronologically Havsjö (talk) 16:28, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: these flags were recently deleted from Commons due to possible copyright problems. There is an ongoing discussion at Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests, and you appear to have restored these images without first checking if you should. Sorry, but these cannot be restored to this template until copyright matters have been settled.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'r there 18:24, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * flags as shown above (with parentheses) have been restored to Commons and to this template (also to Country data Democratic Republic of Afghanistan).  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'r there 19:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I can notify you that several of the emblems of Afghanistan (delete at the same time as the flags) are still missing! --Havsjö (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * didn't know that, as I just monitor the country data flag pages. You might want to see if you can get them undeleted based on the flag undeletions at Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests. My understanding is that the emblems, when used on flags, are the main copyright concern, so if they can be used on flags then their copyright status should be okay for Commons. If that fails, then you might still be able to upload the emblems to appropriate wikis under non-free use copyright law (not used on Commons).  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'r there 20:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)