Template talk:Country data South Africa

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SA Naval ensign prior to 1994 is missing - please can someone add it, as the template is locked. Socrates2008 ( Talk )  10:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the image name? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean? There's no template for the various pre-1994 Naval ensigns.  This site has examples of the correct legacy flags.  Usage should be like this:     Socrates2008 ( Talk )   10:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I still can't help you based on this information. I'm not going to upload non-free images from an external website for you.  If the images are on Wikipedia or on Commons, tell me the image name and I will add them to the template. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There exist images in the Commons for the 1952 and the 1981 ensigns. Please add them. Cplakidas (talk) 15:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

SVG version of SAAF ensign
I've produced an SVG version of the Air Force ensign, at Image:Air Force Ensign of South Africa.svg. Its copyright status is also more certain than that of the PNG version that is currently in use. Could an admin please replace the PNG version with the new SVG version? All that needs to be done is to change to Thanks, htonl (talk) 21:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * flag alias-air force = SAAF flag.png
 * flag alias-air force = Air Force Ensign of South Africa.svg
 * ✅ Skier Dude  ( talk ) 01:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Update request
The army template has been updated but not the airforce one. I found the ensigns for the airforce on the South African Air Force page. Would it be possible to update the template so that similar to the navy and army ones, the airforce will display correctly: BoonDock (talk) 08:46, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 1940 - Ensign of the South African Air Force 1940-1951.svg-1951
 * 1951 - Air Force Ensign of South Africa (1951-1958).svg-1958
 * 1958 - Air Force Ensign of South Africa (1958-1967, 1970-1981).svg-1967 1970-1981
 * 1967 - Air Force Ensign of South Africa (1967-1970).svg-1970
 * 1981 - Air Force Ensign of South Africa (1981-1982).svg-1982
 * 1982 - Air Force Ensign of South Africa (1982-1994).svg-1994
 * 1994 - Air Force Ensign of South Africa (1994-2003).svg-2003
 * 2003 - 2003 - Present
 * ✅. SiBr4 (talk) 11:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! BoonDock (talk) 12:59, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Update to Country Data
Suggest that "sunk after collision with SAS Tafelberg on 18 February 1982" be added to the entry for SAS President Kruger Suggest that "used as a target and sunk by naval gunfire 29 April 1991" be added to the entry for SAS President Steyn The Pennant number for SAS President Pretorius was F145 not F1145 source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Navy source http://www.justdone.co.za/shop/product.php?id_product=30 Iancarine (talk) 20:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, what does this have to do with this template? None of these things are mentioned in the contents of this template. - htonl (talk) 21:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

1910
Could an admin please change the 1910 alias to use File:Flag_of_South_Africa_(1910-1912).png and add File:Flag_of_South_Africa_(1912-1928).png as a new alias for 1912? Orange Tuesday (talk) 20:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Much obliged. Thank you. Orange Tuesday (talk) 20:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

SVG Flags
There are new SVG versions in Wikimedia Commons for the flags of 1910-1912 (File:South_Africa_Flag_1910-1912.svg), 1912-1928 File:South_Africa__Flag_1912-1928.svg, and the Naval ensign from 1952 (File:Naval_Ensign_of_South_Africa_(1952-1981)-2.svg). They should be updated to template:country data. (Gardner Fox (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC))

Army Template Suggestion
I am using the following:

Both work in that they include a National flag. This should surely rather be the Army flag similarly to how the Naval Ensign is displayed. The Current Army Flag is File:SANDF_Army_Flag_Current.gif. In addition, the link created by the army template is incorrect, but I guess I need to address that on the template's talk page. BoonDock (talk) 13:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have changed both the (current) army flag and the army link and also created a redirect from South Africa Army. SiBr4 (talk) 14:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you SiBr4. When I have found or created the SADF flag I'll be back :-) BoonDock (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The flag I was looking for is File:SADF_Army_Flag_1973-1994.gif — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoonDock (talk • contribs) 22:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. I'm back. the SADF should use File:Ensign_of_the_South_African_Defence_Force_(1981-1994).svg and the template should possibly look something like or

I need to still find/create the others. In my opinion, there should be as well as the same for Army and SAMS/SAMHS BoonDock (talk) 21:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * military|South Africa|UDF
 * military|South Africa|SADF
 * military|South Africa|SANDF
 * Military is not a flag template but an infobox. With a ... variant, like I just added, &rarr;  works, as do general templates:  &rarr; 🇿🇦 South Africa. If for the current army flag   was used as alias instead of ,  would display the national flag, so it's better for all variants to use the   format. SiBr4 (talk) 10:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I just changed army/core so invokes the   variant if defined; this means  now also works . Navy and air force have had this functionality since 2009; army oddly didn't have it. SiBr4 (talk) 14:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That works a lot better now for Army! BoonDock (talk) 16:53, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

SA Army ensign pre-1994
At present the flagicon for the pre-1994 SA Army (flag alias-army-1981 = Ensign of the South African Defence Force (1981-1994).svg) uses this ensign:

This is the SADF ensign, not the Army's and it's use in this template is wrong. I've managed to create a proper SA Army ensign, albeit an early one used, as far as I know, during the years 1951-1966 and probably later as well:

Please use it to replace the "army-1981" image and while you're at it, create a "SADF pre-1994" template where the green SADF ensign can be put to work correctly. -- André Kritzinger (talk) 10:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Browsing above, I also came across the 1973-1994 version. Now there's still the 1967-1972 version to look for.
 * Flag of the South African Army (1973–1994).svg
 * -- André Kritzinger (talk) 10:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Anachronistic use of current South African national flag
I am currently updating and replacing older uses of Template:Infobox swimmer, as well as revising swimming world record list articles. In the process of doing so, I have discovered that the overwhelming majority of pre-1994 South African athlete articles are using the incorrect South African flag, i.e., the current post-1994 flag. Virtually all of the 20th Century South African athletes whose careers ended before 1994 should be using "🇿🇦 South Africa," not "." It's a problem, and it needs to be fixed. I am leaving a message here first, because I assume that editors most concerned with South African flag issues will have this talk page on their watch lists. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Update request
Please update the naval ensigns section to replace File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1981-1994).png with File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1981-1994).svg.

Please also add File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1952-1959).svg and File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1951-1952).svg.

Lastly please correct some file name mistakes.

1) File:Naval ensign of South Africa (1946-1951).svg has been renamed to File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1946-1951).svg

2) File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1952-1981)-2.svg has been renamed to File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1952-1981).svg

Thank you.  Fry1989 eh? 19:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Done all but File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1952-1959).svg - what alias do you want to use for that one? &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 19:59, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm not sure now that I think about it more. Since that ensign is nearly identical to File:Naval Ensign of South Africa (1959-1981).svg which is visually superior at such small size, we should just leave the 1959-1981 in for both.  Fry1989 eh? 23:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Current flag image
please could you use File:Flag of South Africa.svg here instead of File:Flag of South Africa (CIA World Factbook).gif? The CIA image is wrong in both dimension and colours. - htonl (talk) 14:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It's just a variant flag, the default remains unchanged. Unless specifically chosen the default version will be used as usual. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 14:53, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, it would seem to be an unnecessary variant. Under what circumstances would you want to use those images - that do not correctly depict the flag of South Africa - instead of the default? - htonl (talk) 15:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, could you rename the variants to something like "wfb-1994" and "wfb-2004"? They way they are set up currently it seems to imply they are "official" flags adopted in those years. - htonl (talk) 15:03, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 16:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Please delete incorrect flags from WFB
Thanks. --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 January 2019
flag alias-1994 = Flag of South Africa (Pantone).svg flag alias-2000 = Flag of South Africa (WFB 2000).svg flag alias-2004-WFB = Flag of South Africa (WFB 2004).svg flag alias-2013 = Flag of South Africa (WFB 2013).svg These flags are just based on the shades used in pictures in different editions of the CIA World Factbook and not are official or even real changes to the flag used by South Africa, they should not be included and especially not linked to a specific year

I also suggest that flag alias-1875 = Flag of the Natal Colony (1875–1910).svg be added, and that:

flag alias-1928 = Flag of South Africa (1928–1982).svg flag alias-1961 = Flag of South Africa (1928–1994).svg flag alias-1982 = Flag of South Africa (1982–1994).svg be changed to flag alias-1928 = Flag of South Africa (1928–1994).svg flag alias-1982 = Flag of South Africa (1982–1994).svg

and the strangely superfluous, can be removed as there was no change in colour in 1961 (or at all, until 1982, when the colour changed from union blue to solway blue etc). The 1928-1994 file should be used as it is the agreed upon and commonly used on Union of South Africa, Flag of South Africa and Flag of South Africa (1928–1994) etc. The 1961 alias should also be unused, as there was no "1961" variant, it shouldn't be used in any articles (simply flag|union of south africa are used there instead.) see: Havsjö (talk) 00:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC) Code for this change is on the template page sandbox --Havsjö (talk) 09:09, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- / Alex /21  23:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 8 March 2019
Can you replace this file with another one? Thanks. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 22:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. It's a flag you've just uploaded. I see no historical justification for this variation, nor any discussion about it here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject South Africa where it ought to be discussed. Cabayi (talk) 11:22, 10 March 2019 (UTC)