Template talk:Dance Dance Revolution/Archive 1

Characters?
I just added a link to a list of DDR characters under "See also." Is that appropriate?

Beat 05:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

A couple of changes
There was a problem with some pages, for example Dance Dance Revolution Universe, where the infobox would overlap with this DDR template if the article was too short. I fixed this by placing a style="clear" thingy in the beginning (thus not needing that extra empty line in the beginning either). I also added PARANOiA song series to the "notable song series" list. I wonder if there are more song series worth adding there, or creating an article about... --Pi (π) 20:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Trip Machine, maybe, since Trip Machines are pretty unique and the series has been around since 1st mix like PARANOiA (it was the other 8 footer on the mix). --Gustavo Chapman 3rd of Normandy 00:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Template Refresh
I refreshed the whole template to cover newly released games, a few errors where games were listed in regions they didn't exist in, and added new general listings which will become pages in the near future. AeronPrometheus (talk) 10:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Unreleased games
I removed Hottest Party 3 from the Europe/Oceania section because that game is not released, my change has subsequently been reverted by User:AeronPeryton. It's fine with me to put upcoming releases in the template, but the hottest party 3 page itself does not mention any planned release in this region. It did in the past, but since then all sources that mentioned this potential release (e.g. ign) have removed it from their lists. In my opinion, every upcoming release on the list should at least have a reference that shows that indeed it will be released sometime in the future. For hottest party 3, if there seems to be no indication at all that it will ever be released in Europe/Oceania. If there is one please add it to the hottest party 3 page before adding the game to the template. BlackShift (talk) 07:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The motto on User:AeronPeryton's page is "Read everything, listen to everybody, don't trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research." Well, I did, and it seems to me that this game might never see the light of day in Europe. I would be happy if proven wrong, so please do :). BlackShift (talk) 07:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Target page is now sourced.  æron  phone  home   09:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! June 2010.. BlackShift (talk) 17:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Should look for a better design
i think we should find a way to fix this template in a way where we don't have to duplicate the same link over. There might be some counterparts we could merge (unless has significant development had occurred). Like maybe true exclusives could merit there own sections, but overall, we should definitely try to merge some if they are just equivalent to the other one but with a name change. the same happens a lot, for example: Final Fantasy Adventure was originally released as Final Fantasy Gaiden and was released in North America as final fantasy adventure and in Europe as Mystic Quest (3 completely different names). regardless, it's about the same entity. If the same applies to DDR games. then we should look for some to merge (especially if they don't meet GNG).

there are also some games that like DDR S, Hottest Party, & Hottest Party 2 that are released in all 3, or some that are both North America and Europe. I think the only ones that are Europe exclusive are the ones that are part of the "Dancing Stage" series. So simplifying it by creating a section for that would be better. Anyone else think theres a better way to simplifying the template?Bread Ninja (talk) 11:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion: notability
The criteria for inclusion in this navbox is not that a game exists by that name but that a sourced article exists on each topic. It would be overkill to even attempt to include all the redirects, and they should be adequately covered in the main list of DDR games anyway. czar 05:58, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I would have to gather up more sources for each article in question, but nevertheless, there are sources that exist. Just as a quick reference, DDR MAX and Solo 2000 were featured on Fox 6 News, and SuperNOVA has IGN pre-release coverage. I agree that some articles may need to be merged (for example, I believe MAX and MAX 2 should be merged, and so should SuperNOVA and SuperNOVA 2), but to delete them altogether is removing a lot of important information. I'd like to hear some feedback regarding all of this. --True Tech Talk Time (talk) 02:33, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * (Hear from me or from others?) The general feeling (summed up here) was that the old articles were overgrown and collecting video game trivia, so pare them back to a single list of games, and source them as well as possible there. If there are enough sources to spin out into a separate article, so be it. But the idea is to focus on getting sourced sections before spinning out to dedicated articles. Yes, that will mean a lot of entries will be missing from the navbox, but it also means that otherwise we're sending people to articles devoid of verifiable content. czar  03:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The way that I see it, leaving out the mixes (3rdMix to 6thMix plus SuperNOVA 1 and 2, inclusively) in the "Main arcade series" section is like taking an artist (I edited articles about Jump5 and ZOEgirl, for example) and arbitrarily leaving out some studio albums from the infobox. I guess a better example is the article List of ZOEgirl compilation albums I created. Back to DDR: how is MAX 2 notable, but not MAX 1? In MAX 2, 37 of the 116 songs (so nearly a third) premiered in MAX 1. MAX 2 omits only 5 songs that MAX 1 had. I've implemented a merge before (MAX 1 and MAX 2 in one article), but that was rejected too. For SuperNOVA, the arcade articles are deleted, but two articles about less notable home games remain. Why not just make one article about the SuperNOVA series and all its games, arcade or home? These titles received notable coverage from E3, IGN and more. The home game was used by my city (Ottawa) for its healthy eating and exercise program. I think the way things are currently going with users editing and redirecting DDR articles on Wikipedia is crazy and draconian. This needs to be put to an end to prevent edit wars and to keep the articles in good shape. --True Tech Talk Time (talk) 07:54, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We make dedicated articles based on significant coverage—if an album is a dud (for whatever reason) and has no reviews or secondary source coverage, we have to cover it in proportion (due weight), which in this case would be the appropriate section of the DDR game list. As of right now, DDRMAX2 doesn't cite a single secondary source, so it would be fine to merge to the main list, however it would have enough coverage for its own article if someone were to add the vetted video game sources from its Metacritic page. (Same for DDRMAX1.) Along with this idea of proportionality, unless you have sources that cover the "SuperNOVA" subseries or the "history of DDR" as discrete ideas, articles should not be broken out in that manner. If anything, they should be covered in the existing DDR articles (the main series and the list) and can always spin out summary style if there is enough coverage. The list, by the way, can be reformatted to be more than a listing if there are reliable, secondary sources with stuff to say on each release. czar  13:54, 9 February 2016 (UTC)