Template talk:Db-meta

Mismatch between Template:db-catempty and its Twinkle notice
A category I created was recently tagged for speedy deletion using db-catempty. A message was left on my talk page, using Twinkle, that contained the following instructions: you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". I was unable to find a button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion" anywhere on the category page.

Can someone who knows this set of templates and messages better than I do please take a look and either fix this mismatch or let me know what I am missing? – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * here. Not actually a Twinkle issue, and has apparently been a problem since October. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

"Template:Delete" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Delete&redirect=no Template:Delete] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Vitaium (talk) 05:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 5 December 2023
Please change if it has remained empty for at least  days  to if it has remained empty for at least  days.  is meant (semantically) for offsetting text (e.g. underlining a miseplled word);  is meant for emphasis. CSS is used to make it appear the same way with the correct semantic meaning. Best, House Blaster talk 13:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. Minor point but please note the syntax in the TPER was incorrect. Primefac (talk) 13:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Noted; thanks! Sincere apologies for any confusion. House Blaster talk 13:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Days parameter in db-c1
Apparently, db-c1 has a days parameter. It is only used in one place: if it has remained empty for at least days (nowiki added). It does not change the behavior of the template, and there is nothing in WP:C1 that permits deleting an empty category after fewer than seven days. The only possible use I can think of would be to delete an empty dated maintenance categories for dates in the past, but in that case an editor should use db-g6 (if it has not be automatically tagged). I think it should be removed. Thoughts? House Blaster talk 19:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Adminbox Suggestion
I noticed that this template has a section with tools for administrators, which has the sysop-show class applied. However, it seems like this would be useful for non-administrators who are reviewing CSDs that should be taken to XfD instead. Perhaps it would be better to set this to display for logged in users? I understand that there's CSS code that editors can put to get around this, but not everyone knows about that. Sagflaps (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 12 February 2024
Please sync with Template:Db-c1/sandbox, which removes support for days (see discussion above). It also reflects the fact that interwikis should be at Wikidata. Thanks! House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 06:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * .  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 15:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 18 February 2024
Description of suggested change: I believe we should remove the ellipsis from Hangon preload generic because if someone does follow the instructions directly and replaces  with their reason, they'll be left with something like This page should not be speedily deleted because... the page is notable. I have seen this unnecessary ellipsis make it into editors' messages more than once, and I don't think the ellipsis currently adds any clarity.

Diff: popo dameron  ⁠ talk 21:53, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit request
Change db-g7 to the following:

Reason: lots of non-admins following this and removing CSD templates. Feel free to make this change on all templates that have this issue. Thanks ---  thetechie@wikimedia  :  ~/talk/  $  19:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: G7 can be declined by anyone, as it is "user requested". There is no mandate for an administrator to be the only one that can decline this nomination type. Primefac (talk) 20:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Add clickable icon
Over at Commons, speedy-deletion tags have a nice large clickable icon of a rubbish bin, which when clicked, sends you directly to the deletion tab for the page, with the rationale prefilled. It's comparable to what you get when you click "deletion" in the phrase Administrators: check links, talk, history (last), and logs before deletion. However, it's much larger and easier to click, and for people using touchscreens, I suppose it's much easier to select without accidentally selecting some other link.

Could such a clickable icon be added to this template, too? I don't see a downside.

While I was a Commons admin (lost my rights there and here, due to inactivity), I performed virtually all speedy deletions by clicking this button, and it was a reason that I did more speedy deletions there than here. Now that I've regained rights here, I'm finding speedy deletions more awkward than over there, since I have to click a little in-text link instead of getting a big icon, and (unlike when clicking the "delete" tab), I know for certain that I'll be given a prefilled rationale. Nyttend (talk) 20:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I rely on Twinkle to do this for me but agree there's no reason it couldn't be built into the template itself. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I will also note for the record that the  option also pre-fills if there is a CSD tag on the page. Additionally, CSDHelper also exists. If folks really want to add a button, I'm not strictly opposed, but we do have a ton of two-click options already available... do we really need a one-click option? (as a minor point, as I wrote out that last sentence it occurred to me that one-click deletion might cause more accidental deletions, similar to how people constantly are accidentally rolling folks back) Primefac (talk) 11:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I can see two potential issues:
 * will making the link to deletion more prominent encourage admins to delete without taking the time to verify that the rationale is actually correct?
 * Are there any accessibility issues?
 * The second should be easy to answer, but I don't know about the first. We already have a lot more bad speedy deletions than we should have (I think it's Pppery who keeps track of these more than anyone else) so we want to incentivise proper reviews rather than ease of deletion, but I don't know whether making the deletion tab easier to reach will make any difference. Off-hand I can't think of any easy way to get an answer to that question. Thryduulf (talk) 01:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think those of us who are going to be lazy admins are going to be lazy admins no matter whether they have to click a button, a "before deleting" link, or even there being no link in the template at all and instead manually having to select "more -> delete" (which is what I do when processing speedy deletions). On the other hand I'm not convinced of the value because in the vast majority of cases (but admittedly not all) the amount of time it takes to determine whether the page is speedy deletable greatly exceeds that required to physically carry out the deletion. So, I have no opinion on this. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Accessibility — I don't think this matters. If you can't see the icon, you'll continue performing deletions as you've always done; I'm asking for an extra way to delete, without removing anything that's currently there.  Nyttend (talk) 10:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The main issue I see (and the main difference to Commons) is that you can't possibly decide whether to delete a page without looking at the history. (There are a few exceptions like WP:CSD). This is easier on Commons where at least the file history is visible without clicking an extra link. So the "delete" button should not be any easier to access than "history". (Personally, I wish there was a way to delete a page from the history that still pre-fills the rationale). —Kusma (talk) 07:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I haven't done much deletion since regaining admin rights, but if I remember rightly from previous years, there are some situations where clicking the "delete" link in the template gives a better rationale than clicking the "delete" tab at the top of the page, even when you're on the page itself and not somewhere else, like "history". (I clearly remember consistently using the "delete" link, to the exclusion of the "delete" tab, and I can't imagine why I'd do this if both work equally well.)  Does this sound right, or do you think I'm imagining something?  Nyttend (talk) 10:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, the "delete" tab takes you to the vanilla Special:Delete page with only the page name filled in. All (or possibly most) of the speedy deletion templates include a link that includes a preconstructed deletion rationale passed through the  parameter of the URL query string. It should be possible to make the icon's link do exactly the same thing. On the matter of making an icon clickable, we would need to choose an icon that is copyright-free, ot has a license that does not require attribution. This is because images having licenses that require attribution (such as CC BY) must allow you to reach the file description page so that the license and creator's details may be examined. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Db-g7 edit request 4 May 2024
Description of suggested change:

Just a splash of MOS:ANDOR to brighten everyone's day.

Diff: Remsense 诉  10:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Nardog (talk) 10:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)