Template talk:Dynamic list/Archive 1

Suggestions.
''This is an incomplete list. It may not be up to date, not yet completed or, depending on its nature, it may be that it can never be complete. However, new and revised entries in the list are always welcome.''

&mdash; Jeandré, 2005-01-02t17:58z

Redirect
I reverted the redirect to Template:listdev. I'm not sure why Netoholic made the redirect, but here's my justification for reverting. There was a discussion several months ago about list template overlap (I don't recall where it was at the moment), and this template was created specifically to address the problem of robust lists that could not, by their nature, be considered complete. listdev is more suited to sparse lists that we're trying to encourage people to build up. &mdash; Jeff Q (talk) 03:19, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wording
What does "can or may" mean? - Nat Krause 04:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * My thoughts exactly. I understand what they're trying to say, but the "can" seems unnecessarily, since "may" includes that idea (that it's possibly impossible) already. -Silence 22:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit link
How about making the phrase revisions and additions into an [ edit this page] link, similar to what has been done with Incomplete list and the various stub templates. Like this:

''This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. [ Revisions and additions] are welcome.''

The only problem I can see is that adding the little arrow symbol pushes the word 'welcome' on to the next line. This might be resolved with a bit of rewording -- Gurch 15:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

How about

''This is an incomplete list, it may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. [ Revisions and additions] are welcome.''

? Circeus 17:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I prefer the final text piece above Fethroesforia 15:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Grammar
"This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness"

Should that comma be there? My gut tells me that the comma is misplaced TheHYPO 11:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Relf reference
I've split this onto two lines. The second line is a self reference as it assumes the list is editable. I've marked the text as a selfref so mirror sites can hide the text. See WP:ASR. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

List is incomplete
I also support including the text of Expand list into this one. SharkD (talk) 00:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

editsemiprotected
add Domijan Robert under D for list of South African artists —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizarb (talk • contribs) 21:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Completeness?
Is "completeness" the right term here? Surely completion is the more lexically intuitive choice... --PenguinCopter (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and make this change. If anyone has any qualms, don't hesitate to express them here. --PenguinCopter (talk) 16:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Succinctness
Can we work on making this template more succinct so, in general, it doesn't wrap to a second line? ---kilbad (talk) 19:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2015
Kevin Short, American bass-baritone is a Morgan State University class of 1984 graduate. Mr. Short should be included on the list of notable alumni in the Arts section. Mr. Short is an international opera singer with over 100 performances at the Metropolitan Opera House in New York and multiple international opera companies and symphonies around the world. Mr. Short's biographic information can be gleaned from his own Wikipedia page.

Omegaman1pi81f (talk) 02:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for this request.McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 02:39, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * To be specific, you should have made this request at Talk:List of Morgan State University alumni. In any case, I've added Kevin Short to the list, so... request granted. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:07, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

More concise wording
As others have brought up above, this hatnote could be worded more concisely. How about this? It replaces "incomplete list" with "dynamic list", since the second part of the sentence also mentions incompleteness, and rewords that second part. "This is a dynamic list, which may never be fully complete. You can help by [ expanding it] with reliably sourced entries."

For reference, the current version is: "This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by [ expanding it] with reliably sourced entries." —Neil 11:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. This would also alleviate the POV issue that has recently come up. Str1977 (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Not sure that readers will immediately understand what a "dynamic list" is, especially as the phrase can't be found on the linked page, but okay. DoctorKubla (talk) 10:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I've edited the linked page to add the definition of "dynamic list". I've also tweaked the wording of the template a bit, so it makes more sense. DoctorKubla (talk) 10:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 27 January 2020
Simplify language, changing "may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness" to "may never be considered complete". fgnievinski (talk) 03:43, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Language has been same since 2013. qedk (t 桜 c) 13:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists § New template: Dynamic list editnotice
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists § New template: Dynamic list editnotice. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 10:07, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Consider increasing clarity of the documentation
I'm not too familiar with dynamic lists, and the documentation is a bit short. I copy pasted some definitions of dynamic lists just now, but I still find it a little confusing.

Looking at the category, it seems the essence is just that they're incomplete lists? Are all incomplete lists dynamic lists? But then looking at the edit notice, it seems like the use case might be for lists that get a lot of non-notable entries added?

I also notice that a lot of pages have the dynamic list template at the top of the article, not in a section. That part may be worth rewording as well. Thanks. – Novem Linguae (talk) 02:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Novem Linguae, as I understand it, the difference between dynamic lists and incomplete lists is that an incomplete list is only incomplete because insufficient effort has been put into it. An incomplete list will never remain incomplete if it reaches FL status. A dynamic list, by contrast, doesn't have such strictly defined criteria. For something like List of people from New York City, even if it becomes an FL, we can never definitively say that it includes every entry (and only every entry) that it ought to, because the criteria are subjective. That makes it a dynamic list. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 02:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Dynamic a-list § Proposal to wrapperify
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Dynamic a-list § Proposal to wrapperify. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 20:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Important template-protected edit request on Jan 7 2023
Replace

This is a dynamic list and may never...

to

This page contains one or more dynamic lists that may never...

Very important since there are pages that contain multiple dynamic lists.

Uni3993 (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Uni3993, to change the wording for an article with multiple dynamic lists, just use the parameter referenced in the documentation, like this: . Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't know thanks. Uni3993 (talk) 22:14, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Glad to help! &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:47, 7 January 2023 (UTC)